260. Paul Turner: Reality (TV) is My Life

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Dana here. Welcome to Words that Move Me. Stupid excited for this episode. Stupid excited for this episode. Today we're talking to one of my favorite new friends and collaborators, Paul Turner. You may know his name because he is a reality show mega star. I almost said semi star, but let's be really honest, there's no. There's nothing semi about Paul Turner at all. He was in the spirit of Dan, which is the budget version of Riverdance, for the record, countless musicals, TV shows, reality shows, things that we'll get into a little bit more in the episode. But more than anything, he is a dream of a collaborator. On the last project that we worked together on, his official title was Production Fairy. And when I tell you he is magic, I mean it. I mean it. I mean, things got done because of Paul. Hard days were fun because of Paul. And I think one of the things we talk about a lot in this episode is delivering criticism with humility, the role of humor in day to day creative life, and how it's like an essential part of longevity and of enjoying the life of a creative. Being a creative person. So I'm excited to share this episode with Paul Turner. But first, we do wins. I'm going to be spending a little bit more time in Vegas in the upcoming weeks. Months. Years. And I just found, thanks to my dear friend Gina, a car. You know, sometimes when you're like, man, it's going to be so hard. I'm going to have to find a car I got with the insurance I got to buy. Nope. It was just easy. My friend Gina was like, hey, I have this Subaru. And I was like, hey, I have the need for a vehicle. And she was like, do you want to work out a deal? And I was like, yes. And guys, sometimes it can be that easy. Let this win be a reminder to you that if you are looking for something, if you are in need, let the people know because you might have a Gina in your life and the Gina in your life might have a Subaru for you. That's my win. What's going well in your world, my friend? Congratulations. I'm so glad you're winning. It's gonna. You're gonna. You're really gonna crush it. You're already doing it. I'm so happy for you. That reminds me of a funny story. I'm gonna save for a different win. Okay, let's get into this conversation with Paul Turner, my favoritest newest production fairy friend, the one, the only Paul. Production fairy, Paul freaking Turner. You are here for the first ever. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Oh, Great book. Oh, that would be cool, though. Sorry, I've ruined it. Oh, my God. You've got merch. Are you getting merch? Yes. Oh, my God. I love it. Which is cool. [00:03:15] Speaker B: It's crazy because we have shirt bond. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Just want to make sure y. Okay, good. [00:03:21] Speaker A: Oh, my God. We do have a shirt bond. [00:03:23] Speaker B: We have a shirt bond. Okay, so wait, that is in white. [00:03:26] Speaker A: I love it. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Which we got two of because one is for a lucky winner. I'm kidding. [00:03:33] Speaker A: For me. For the staff. For the staff. [00:03:36] Speaker B: For the staff. And then. And also in black, but a different. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Oh, that's cute. [00:03:40] Speaker B: It's a little. [00:03:41] Speaker A: I love the colors you've chosen for the letters. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Thank you. My sister in law. Ex sister in law. Did they get removed? [00:03:48] Speaker A: She died. [00:03:51] Speaker B: My ex husband's sister in law. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:55] Speaker B: Did my brand design and logo and all of the things. She is so gifted. [00:03:59] Speaker A: She said because there's such a thing about colors. Yes. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Like, oh, it's real. And the. [00:04:04] Speaker A: The. [00:04:05] Speaker B: I love the logo. I love the color. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Did you do the font? [00:04:08] Speaker B: No. [00:04:09] Speaker A: Okay. [00:04:09] Speaker B: She designed everything. [00:04:12] Speaker A: I love it. [00:04:12] Speaker B: And it's gonna be such a great show. Oh, my God. [00:04:14] Speaker A: You're opening a shop. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Oh, we. Eventually. Yes, we do. I do already sell stickers and. Thank you. [00:04:23] Speaker A: You see how I let you plug [00:04:24] Speaker B: that then that was. [00:04:25] Speaker A: Do you have a shop anywhere like. And subscribe? [00:04:29] Speaker B: Where could the good people find the good merch? Paul, welcome to the podcast. [00:04:34] Speaker A: I'm so excited. [00:04:35] Speaker B: I'm so excited. [00:04:36] Speaker A: I'm excited. Too. [00:04:37] Speaker B: Uncomfortable, though, because this pillow is in the wrong place. [00:04:41] Speaker A: It's sitting like. This is so fun. [00:04:44] Speaker B: It looks great. [00:04:45] Speaker A: But also a rose bud in the front doesn't look too. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Looks like a cod piece you're giving. What are you giving right now? Tell us about your look. Tell us about your look. [00:04:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So this old hag on the street sold me this. No. Sold me this. This is your shirt that I saw and thought that's not fair that you own that and I do not. So I. [00:05:07] Speaker B: That's exactly how that went down. [00:05:08] Speaker A: Made many hints. Yeah. Which I thought was subtle, but probably not. Probably not. And what. When was it? Two months ago. Yeah. [00:05:16] Speaker B: A gift on our last day of work. That was my part. That was my rap gift. [00:05:20] Speaker A: Yes. [00:05:20] Speaker B: To Paul. Was my shirt off my back. I just went around tits out for the rest of the day. [00:05:25] Speaker A: She got arrested. But you build me out. Yeah. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Which paid for the shirt. [00:05:29] Speaker A: A tap dance for the bail. No, they. I mean, I love it so much. [00:05:34] Speaker B: And now it is your shirt. It's crazy. I like. It did stand out. When I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, that's incredible. I have to have it. And it did feel good on me. I always. I loved it. I've danced a thousand dances in that shirt. I've sweat. I. Yeah, I'm sure I've sweat a thousand. But when you took a liking to it, I knew immediately I was like, oh, this is actually Paul's shirt. This whole time it's been yours. And I just thought it was mine. [00:05:56] Speaker A: I do love it. I don't know. It's like childhood. We used to go to Orlando for, like, as kids and where they used to have the Nickelodeon studio where you could go in. This is it. That's it. This is probably where it was bought from. Probably. [00:06:09] Speaker B: It's probably from the. The actual place. Which means somebody's been slimed in it. [00:06:13] Speaker A: Yes. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that's cool. [00:06:14] Speaker A: And then because you said don't wear any pants. [00:06:16] Speaker B: I did say pants optional in my email, which you read. [00:06:19] Speaker A: I did, of course. Wow. I need to know where parking was. [00:06:23] Speaker B: I stress about that, not knowing where parking is. I was driving the other day. I was gonna arrive. Oh, okay. So my dear friend Candace Brown has a company called Soul Project, and they had a show in Hollywood. I'm not a fan of Hollywood. I'm a fan of the show, but I was like, big fan. I love you, Candace. I just don't spend a lot of time there. I don't know Hollywood very well. And so my. The minutes. And it was a fucking weekend. And the minutes on my car. Wait, yeah, it was a weekend. It was Saturday night. And my ETA just kept getting later and later and later showed, I think started at 7:30, and I was set to arrive at 7:29. And so I was like, hey, Siri, send a voice note to Cheryl Copeland, who was stage managing. And it got her name wrong a few times. And then I was like, oh. And so I just. I did that again because I am a safe driver. Geico. And we asked Siri to ask Cheryl what's the parking hack? And she was like, street parking only on Vista. And I was like, fuck, I'm gonna be late. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Stall. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Hold the doors. And she was like, was it one [00:07:36] Speaker A: of the shows that if you're not [00:07:36] Speaker B: there in time, she was like, it's a dance show. We're gonna be starting late. And I was like, oh, fierce, fierce, fierce. And I got not the first spot on Vista, but the second spot right there. Guy in a truck, he was getting in the Car. And I windowed down so fast, I was like, excuse me, sir, are you leaving? He was like. And I waited for him for like 3 minutes, but then it was only 7:33 and I still had the. Oh. Then I got in and I saw a friend, and I immediately was so jacked in my parking. Spilled her drink on her. [00:08:02] Speaker A: I was like, oh, my God, I [00:08:04] Speaker B: just got parking spot. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Hey, you. Yay. [00:08:08] Speaker B: She got slimed. [00:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Okay, so welcome to the podcast. [00:08:11] Speaker A: Yay. [00:08:13] Speaker B: This is tradition. On the podcast, all my guests have to introduce themselves. Okay, you're ready because you read the email. [00:08:18] Speaker A: Okay, I did, I did. [00:08:19] Speaker B: What do you want us to know about you? I'm so. I can't wait to hear your. [00:08:21] Speaker A: My name is Paul Turner. That's Paul Turner for you. You. You folks. Paul from me. [00:08:28] Speaker B: P O O L. If you're. Yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker A: Pool. I mean, I've done many things in my life, but how we met is that I was just recently a production fairy. [00:08:37] Speaker B: That's his official title. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Official title. Well, I mean, I did do everything and sprinkle some. [00:08:43] Speaker B: You sprinkled magic on every in. On every department. You. [00:08:48] Speaker A: It was fun. It's nice of being called that because as you can probably tell by my outfit, I'm not very much of a serious person. And being called, like, production manager was like, I shouldn't manage anyone. There should be nothing that I manage. But being a fairy, where you just, like, fly around, you can manage that. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yes. That was. It was so well suited when you introduced yourself to me as that. I was like, oh, I got it. [00:09:10] Speaker A: And it was given, which I also love. Like, it wasn't like I came in [00:09:14] Speaker B: and was like, hey, guys, can you nudge, nudge, wink, wink. [00:09:17] Speaker A: Would you please refer to me as. [00:09:19] Speaker B: No, it was gifted. It was gifted to you, and it is who you are. And you made that job for me so much more enjoyable and so much easier. You solved so many problems. I do think you've got. So this is a creative podcast. We talk about dance, we talk about choreography a lot, because those are my domains. But I know you've been nervous about this conversation, and I want you to know that I think of creativity as simply problem solving. You solved more problems on that show. On that. During that process. Like, you're a wildly creative person. You are definitely the best looking person that I know, and you are so funny. You made. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:09:56] Speaker B: I looked forward to going to work every single day. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Oh, I love that. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Largely because of Riley, but also a little bit because of you. She has to say that I learned from you. I learned the best from you. Oh, my God, your digs are so. Your humor. It's really important. Actually, that is the first thing I wanted to talk about because I think you also. Most people that I know are very. That are very funny are just very critical, and they know how to say a critical thing with a smile. And I think that that's so funny. [00:10:30] Speaker A: You look so fucking sick. [00:10:33] Speaker B: I am wondering if how criticism has shaped you as the person that you are, and if you think about giving it deliberately as jokes as, like a. A tool. Like, do you use humor deliberately, or is this really truly who you are? [00:10:48] Speaker A: Definitely. Humor is like my facade, camouflage who I am. [00:10:53] Speaker B: Coping mechanism. [00:10:54] Speaker A: Yeah, Coping mechanism. Mechanism all the way from when I was a fat kid back when I was a teenager. I made everyone laugh so then. [00:11:02] Speaker B: So that they wouldn't make fun of you. [00:11:04] Speaker A: I guess so. [00:11:04] Speaker B: But I was like, cry on my own show. [00:11:06] Speaker A: No, it wasn't sad. I was hilarious. And I was fat. Like, you see a fat person trying to do a cartwheel. It's hilarious. And also laughed so fast just now. [00:11:14] Speaker B: Fuck. [00:11:15] Speaker A: And if you. I. I learned, like, if I called myself fat, what can people say? Right? The fat person says, let me make the joke. You're gonna be like, yeah, you are right. And I was like, yes, at it. Yeah. So I think it, like, stems from that. And. But taking it back to, like, if I have to make any criticism or feedback, I also start with, like, who the. Am I interesting? [00:11:35] Speaker B: Like, healthy self deprecation. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Yeah. But, like, as in, the criticism that I would always want to give comes optimistically from knowing that everyone's trying their best. And I feel like stern criticism has a very big full stop at the end. [00:11:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:52] Speaker A: That makes people think. But did you not see all the good stuff I just tried to do? [00:11:56] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:56] Speaker A: I'm on hour nine of day 65, [00:11:59] Speaker B: a little compassion, saying that I didn't [00:12:01] Speaker A: stand on five or I didn't do this arm. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Not that I'm a choreographer. I don't know why I went there. [00:12:05] Speaker B: That was cute. [00:12:06] Speaker A: I'm gonna put that in something when I'm criticizing everyone. Dance. Yeah. As a dancer myself, but I feel like if you add humor to it, which, again, is just the way I speak. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:17] Speaker A: It is open. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:19] Speaker A: And it allows them to be like, oh, okay, I'll see what I can do with. [00:12:23] Speaker B: I'll take it or I'll leave it. [00:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Or like, also, you better take it, because that is the role of, like, do What? You don't. But it's. I don't know. I don't think. I think it's half. I think it's. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:35] Speaker A: Natural. [00:12:35] Speaker B: It's part of. It's part of who you are. [00:12:38] Speaker A: I'd rather say it like that than be like, you're doing it wrong. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:42] Speaker A: Because they're not. [00:12:43] Speaker B: It's more artful, it's more humane, and it's more effective. It's like taking your spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Yes. As a British nanny, myself. [00:12:57] Speaker B: As a British nanny with a very large carpet bag. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Just came in on the umbrella. No. I just, again, feel like if it's stern, people will get their back up and think they've done something wrong. And that means that you've. You've. You think they're doing something wrong. And I don't want anyone to think that. I feel like they've come in today and. [00:13:19] Speaker B: And they're bad. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Done it wrong. [00:13:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:21] Speaker A: So that it goes wrong. [00:13:23] Speaker B: But you see room for improvement. [00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:25] Speaker B: I am working myself on giving critical feedback. I love receiving it. And so I grew up in the suburbs. Parents got divorced, kind of behind closed doors. Like, I wasn't there for a lot of the fighting. Like, I don't know how to fight. Like, it wasn't modeled for me. Like, healthy conflict. I don't really know what that looks like. And so I think similarly, I deliver criticism as praise, but Sneaky. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like. Because again, unless they're. They're doing it on purpose, they don't. No one deserves to be talked to like crap. Right. And I feel like even if it's a stern piece of information you're giving them and you're not talking to them like crap, it still is like, oh, God, I'm at the headmaster, you know? [00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:24] Speaker A: What you call it here? The dean. [00:14:26] Speaker B: The dean, yeah. Principal. [00:14:27] Speaker A: Like the principal. That's it. And I feel like no one should ever feel like that again because usually, especially performers, they have been working their butts off for many hours with the same breaks as a person that writes emails. [00:14:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:43] Speaker A: And it's usually the last thing. [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker A: After they've probably just done it eight times in a row. Right. [00:14:49] Speaker B: They're ocean, they're raw, they're vulnerable, they're knackered. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah. That's British for tired. [00:14:55] Speaker B: Okay. [00:14:56] Speaker A: I've said it too much recently. And everyone's like, what? [00:14:59] Speaker B: Excuse me. [00:14:59] Speaker A: There we go. You've got subtitles. [00:15:01] Speaker B: That's actually a really funny. [00:15:03] Speaker A: Good idea. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Oh, shit. What Was I just gonna say, oh, I'm. As you're saying that, I'm just realizing in a way, criticism is marketing. Let me back that up. Doing something important, delivering something heavy. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Like the message of our brand. Like, that's heavy shit. Like, we care about this and you have to do it in a deliberate way that's gonna have the most impact. And I, in my experience, harsh criticism and negative punishment are not the way to get me to deliver. And so, yeah, I think in a clear but positive or even joking tone, as long as the criticism itself is clear, like, sorry, do you want me to stand on five or not? I don't understand. Is it five or is it six? Like, be clear about the feedback. But to have a little bit of humility in your position, to have empathy of their position, I think it just, it makes all the difference in the world. And we had a lot of, as every production does, tense moments where you're like under pressure from time or from money or from other departments, whatever. And it just really relieves the tension in the room to have somebody who knows how to make a well timed joke and a criticism. An observation that isn't a knife in your. Was also like in your open wound. [00:16:28] Speaker A: It's like selfish on my part as well because I don't like tense situations and I don't like people being unhappy that I often do it for myself. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. So that you feel okay. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. [00:16:43] Speaker A: I want to be around happy people because also I'll probably have to deal with them afterwards. So now it is. [00:16:47] Speaker B: So everyone's annoyed. Okay. [00:16:49] Speaker A: Everyone's thing. And I'm like, I have to put that into it a little bit too. Like, it's not always for everyone and how everyone feels. There is a bit of selfishness of like, I like happy room. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Or and it's your way of signaling, like, oh, guys, like, we could lighten up in here. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Because again, and the job we just have, like, I do feel there was a lot of acknowledgement of like, we're not saving lives. [00:17:13] Speaker B: Right. You know, this team was very good at being humane. [00:17:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Being light. And I think the show itself is written is very funny. It's designed. [00:17:25] Speaker A: I mean, there's a rat assistant. [00:17:28] Speaker B: There's a rat. [00:17:28] Speaker A: This is not serious in the show [00:17:30] Speaker B: that it talks is a man. The rat is a man. Yeah. [00:17:33] Speaker A: It's so fun. I think they're such a good, such a great collaboration partnership. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Dennis and Dennis and Kim and Phil also. But I'll speak. I I worked mostly with Dennis and Kim, who are dancers. Yeah, they really put dance front and gave great space for me to play, but really useful feedback when I was going, like, beyond the play space. Yeah, I love receiving feedback from them. I love how much permission they gave. As far as, like, it was. It was hugely because of you that I loved going to work. But that is. It's one of my favorite gigs. Every single day, Riley and I drove to and from work, and I was like, I think that was my favorite day. Like, I think that's. [00:18:13] Speaker A: It's just fun when everyone who's involved is aware of the hard work that everyone is putting in. Where I feel like when there's a disconnect of someone that hasn't been, let's say, in this case, a dancer, you don't realize how hard it is. And you think, like, because it is fun and because they are enjoying it, it's like, no one cares. Right? You know, like, it's actually hard. Oh, my God. The dance is here. She's arrived. [00:18:41] Speaker B: She's arrived and she's on her mark. Hi, Riz. Riz has joined the chat. Also. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Looks like she's gonna pee on me a little bit. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Okay, so you're a person with many talents. [00:18:50] Speaker A: All of them, actually. [00:18:50] Speaker B: Every single talent is yours. [00:18:52] Speaker A: Nothing I can't do. [00:18:53] Speaker B: What? How do you decide what jobs you. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:56] Speaker B: And what jobs? You know, like, what's your guiding? [00:18:59] Speaker A: Jeez. Depends how high or low my bank account is at the time. [00:19:02] Speaker B: Fair. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Well, I started as a performer. I started when I was younger. My first job was a budget river dance. [00:19:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Yes. In Branson. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yes, I read that. What? Okay, so just for you, listener, viewer, everyone, everything that has been made is a budget river dance. Because I don't know if you know this. Michael Flatley is the highest paid dancer of all time. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:19:32] Speaker B: So everything is budget river dance except for river dance, because he. It's the highest. Yeah, that budget was nuts. [00:19:38] Speaker A: Yeah, we did not get that. [00:19:40] Speaker B: But it was Irish step dancing, though. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah. It was called Spirit of the Dance. I don't know if it exists anymore. I think it does. [00:19:46] Speaker B: And you were a dancer in that show? [00:19:48] Speaker A: Yeah, Dancer. Yeah. Yeah. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:19:50] Speaker A: So they. It was a British company that hired tap dancers and then trained them how to do the show. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Got it. [00:19:57] Speaker A: So technically, I was not a trained Irish dancer that could, like, do a solo jig. [00:20:02] Speaker B: So you. [00:20:02] Speaker A: But I could do the steps in the shoes in that show. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Appropriating Irish step dancing. [00:20:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's me. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Got it. [00:20:13] Speaker A: But it was so much fun. Like I was obsessed with America and I've always wanted to live here. And then imagine at 18 getting. I turned 19 when I was there. I got to go live in Branson, Missouri. That, that meant nothing to me at the time. I'm happy. Oh, it was great. There was. We were all British. Yeah. We were all young. We all got paid terribly. But at the time, amazingly because. And then we got free accommodation and free food. [00:20:40] Speaker B: I was like, you were saving money. [00:20:43] Speaker A: I've made it. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Isn't that amazing how that means different things at different times of your life [00:20:49] Speaker A: and that you now have shin splints? [00:20:51] Speaker B: You. And you weren't saving for retirement. No, I was. [00:20:57] Speaker A: There was zero. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Well, we all think we're invincible when we're 18 and it's not a priority yet. And you don't know that your cartilage is not an infinite reason. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Yes. You don't know that. You don't. You've forgotten that you may need the legs for the rest of your life. Right. [00:21:08] Speaker B: That stuff looks hard, dude. That stuff. [00:21:10] Speaker A: It was so fun. And we would do like two shows a day. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Oh, you have to be 18 to be. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah. But you would do it so much that you didn't know you were doing it anymore. You know what I mean? [00:21:21] Speaker B: Like it became your baseline. [00:21:23] Speaker A: You could go out and drink non alcoholic drinks at 19 years of age and still do two shows the next day. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Say, I can't wait, I can't. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Let me have some of my coffee. [00:21:36] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, take a sip of your coffee. Tell me about a moment that you are most proud of from your professional life. Cuz I'm the most proud that I've never had an actual survivor on the show. And so because reality TV is very interesting to me. Right. I came up, I'm an MTV generation kid. So I saw reality TV born and I watched people say this isn't going to last, this isn't going to last, blah blah, blah and jump to like cut to today. It is. You can't remove it. Like, you can't remove it. It's some of the biggest shows. [00:22:08] Speaker A: It's the best television out there of the time. [00:22:11] Speaker B: I don't watch a ton of it, but I don't watch a ton of tv period. So I. Yeah, tell me a little bit about how you got looped into that show. Like what made you say yes to that first? [00:22:21] Speaker A: Well, the funniest thing is so in where I did it in Europe and it's Called Expediti, Robinson Johnson. But it's. [00:22:28] Speaker B: It's Survivor. [00:22:29] Speaker A: There's two teams merged, blah, blah, blah. And they actually use people from television. So because I'd done the voice, they called me up and asked if I wanted to do it. But I only had two weeks to decide because I was replacing someone who's sadly, parent had passed away. And they had never used someone from, like, a reality show. They only reality on reality. [00:22:54] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:22:54] Speaker A: Olympians. And then me speak the language perfectly. And at first I was like, you know, no. But then I was like, so that [00:23:08] Speaker B: instinct answer was no. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Well, it was more like, my mom's gonna not want me to do this. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Okay. She's gonna be worried. Yeah. It's not gonna be fun for her. Yeah. And then I was like, how can I say no? I am never gonna get this opportunity again. If I say no, they're not coming back and asking again. The fact that they were even considering a person, like I said, that didn't speak the native language. [00:23:30] Speaker B: Well, I guess all celebrities in some way are performers. But you were like song and dance person. Actor, singer, dancer. Who is. Who. Who is being asked to be a part of this thing that Olympians and [00:23:42] Speaker A: t. TV film stars are funny. Yeah. The. When I got there, everyone was like, talking about what they'd done to prepare. I had bought for the role. I had bought, like, American Apparel was still a huge thing. Yeah. And I bought a quick drying rainbow tank top because I was like, it would dry quick. I'll be good. That's it. That's it. They're all like, oh, we did the survival thing. One person bought stuff in her thing, like. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Like in her body cavity. [00:24:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Because they really are strict with what you can bring shut in a room and they take all of your stuff and then you get taken to the island. It was. I thought I was going to have a nice resort, get over mid jet lag. I'm all of a sudden in a boat and they're like, get out. And I was like, where? And they were like, there, like in the water. And then we were in the mangrove and we walked and the show started. And I was like, hm, this is h. Okay, what happened? [00:24:43] Speaker B: What happened? [00:24:44] Speaker A: First, a huge challenge that was like a three parter. Luckily, it's a. It was a Dutch show. I remember sitting there or standing in the water like this, being stung by these fishes that they'd warned us about. And the woman is not. She hasn't stopped talking for about 15 minutes. Describing what I'm Just about to do in Dutch, which I could understand, but not, you know, I knew. Conversational. I didn't know, like, jungle talk. But luckily, the company that does the show was South African, and they have to, after your initial reaction, obviously, do a safety chat. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah. In English. Yeah. [00:25:19] Speaker A: So at least I knew what was going to happen. But it, like, started like this, and I was just like. But honestly, it's one of the best things I've ever done. [00:25:26] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:26] Speaker A: Because I would never do it. Yes. You can't pay to do it. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:30] Speaker A: And I never need to go camping ever again. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Check, check. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Like, I've done it too good, you know. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Right. There's no. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Why would I go and lay a tent in the forest? So it was. It was. It was brilliant. Whoa. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Was there a moment where you were like, get me out. [00:25:46] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my God. So I actually left. Yes, actually, that happened. It was very weird for me. I just finished the Voice a month before they asked. [00:25:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:26:00] Speaker A: And you go very in yourself when you're on there. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker A: Very strange. Like, it's such an amazing experience because of that too. [00:26:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:26:08] Speaker A: But I was like, all these people have careers. All these people have acted for this long. Have Olympic for this long. That's what they do. Yeah. And I just started and I was like, I need to leave. Like, I start. And there was this weird moment where everyone had the chance to vote me out because I lost something. And I knew in my. [00:26:30] Speaker B: Wait, you lost something? Like an object that you guys needed? [00:26:33] Speaker A: No, like, lost a challenge. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Oh, I see. [00:26:35] Speaker A: So funny. We merged and we could eat and drink all we want. Wanted. Oh. And I did. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Huh. [00:26:41] Speaker A: And earlier in the day, we'd done this. We had pick a name out of a hat thing, and I. My name was out. And then we'd eaten and we'd drunk for the first time in, you know, over two weeks. And they were like, you're gonna do a challenge now. And it was, don't fall asleep in a hammock over water whilst holding a block. And we all. I lasted two hours and like 36 minutes. And I, to this day, remember, I was. Had to shut our eyes and I was in a house. [00:27:10] Speaker B: This is a stupid challenge. [00:27:11] Speaker A: It is. But it was so, like, torment. Cuz not been that comfortable in two weeks. Right. And they're like, now be that comfortable and not fall asleep. Because we'd lasted like an hour and a half and they were like, we need to make it harder. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Oh, okay, okay, okay, I get it. [00:27:25] Speaker A: Okay. So I shut my eyes and I [00:27:27] Speaker B: was the game maker didn't do a good job, so they had to change the rules. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And they. I was, like, decorating a house in my head. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Nice. [00:27:35] Speaker A: How I was trying to. Like, that would keep me awake, and I did not. [00:27:39] Speaker B: You got to the bedroom and you were like, okay, now for the bed. [00:27:42] Speaker A: And I, like, didn't even realize, but obviously I dropped the block in the water, so I knew I'd fallen asleep. [00:27:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:47] Speaker A: And they had this chance to, like, vote me out, and no one did. And it sent me loopy because I was like, this is the game. And they were like, but we want you here. And I was like, couldn't handle. What with just being in a show that was watched by, like, millions of people and being accepted for who I am. Yeah. Now I'm in the jungle where you have to vote people out and they're not voting me out. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:08] Speaker A: It was, like, too much. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Very, very weird. [00:28:11] Speaker B: Talking about psychological now. Oh, for sure. [00:28:14] Speaker A: Back then I was like, why don't people. Why didn't they vote me out? Like, why. Why do you like me? It was, like, such a weird. Such a weird train of thought. Also, it was super skinny and, like, not eaten and it was hot and, like, you know, there was all that going on, too. But I still really relate to that feeling of, like. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Like, this doesn't make sense. [00:28:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I have had this doesn't make sense moments. None as definable as that, for sure. But, like. [00:28:44] Speaker A: Well, you wasn't taken to the jungle and left. [00:28:45] Speaker B: God, I. I don't think I could hang. I. There was a short time where a dear friend of mine was trying to do the Amazing Race and made it really far to the end. [00:28:53] Speaker A: I would like to do that. [00:28:54] Speaker B: That. Yeah. Yeah. Made it really far to the end. And there are moments when I'm out there in the world. Like, our lives are hugely unnatural. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:29:01] Speaker B: I can navigate an airport like a motherfucker. I understand how to get things done fast in foreign countries. I, like. I take. This is such a flex. I take flights the way some people take Uber. It's very easy. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Like, I move around very much. [00:29:16] Speaker A: 100. [00:29:17] Speaker B: And that just sounds like just too much privilege, which it probably is. And we'll. [00:29:22] Speaker A: No, not that you navigate it well. You have to get somewhere because you have to go somewhere. You just do it. Well. Well, I'm. [00:29:27] Speaker B: I'm working. I. I rarely am the person paying for this travel, for the record, but I thought for a while that I would do really well on a show like that. So as my friend was getting further and further, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome. Awesome. But hearing about the interview and audition process, I was like, dude, I don't know if that's for me. I don't think reality TV is for me. [00:29:48] Speaker A: I think it felt. I mean, I went for the audition for the Voice. That was the first thing I did it. A friend was like, you should do it. I was like, sure. And then it just went really well. And I think it fell on me at the time that it should have. Yep. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Perfect timing. [00:30:03] Speaker A: It taught me who I was. I was also so lucky to be accepted for everything that I was in a country that traditionally maybe not. [00:30:14] Speaker B: So you are not. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Not. Like, they have the saying in Holland that's like, you cut the blade of grass that stands too tall. But they, like, didn't put that on me. And I just. You were the exception because of the Britishness. I think they were like, he's just British. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:31] Speaker A: But it was, like, so fun to do it and be so in control with who I was and, like, go into the criticism thing. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:39] Speaker A: They want you to be like, who's going next? You know, like, who did the worst? Yes. And I was just like, I don't do that. I'm not. Yeah. I always was like, well, no. Or like, my competition or I actually. That's a lie. I learned very quickly how to give them something they could use that wasn't [00:30:56] Speaker B: what they asked for. You should go into politics. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Pull for president. [00:31:01] Speaker B: I. You've got my vote. Okay, so reality tv, I think, plays a huge part in your, like, professional career, in your taste, in your, like, ability to improvise. And, like, always probably on kind of. It just. It makes so much sense to me. And now you have established a production company and are. Yeah. Okay, tell me. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Oh, it's so fun. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Tell me without telling me specifically what you. What you're working on because you're not allowed to, why you have decided to do this thing. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Because, honestly, reality is my life. I love it. [00:31:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Reality is my life. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Like, that actually. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Isn't that the definition of reality? [00:31:38] Speaker B: That's the title. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Reality television. Unscripted television. Let's be professional. Yes. Is. I just love it. I think, you know, I can watch a film and be moved, but, like, to watch, like, real people, like, scream at each other, when also, like, it makes you do the thing that you're nervous to do. Right. Like, so. As in, on a reality show, you have the backing of the cameras. You kind of know you have to, like, show up or you could get fired the next year. So if I have a problem with you, I'm going to come up to you and ask. In real life, I'll be like, I'm just going to avoid you. So I like the element of. Yes. It sometimes is dramatized a little too much and all that, but it does make you look at your. Yeah. [00:32:20] Speaker B: Deal with your. [00:32:21] Speaker A: And like. Yeah. Or watching it back and see how much of a you were. Whoa. I would learn that I never even [00:32:26] Speaker B: considered the watching it back part. All of my thoughts and prayers about reality TV have been specifically the experience of making it. I've never even thought of watching you [00:32:39] Speaker A: say one wrong thing and you're like, it's. It, it's super magnifying. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm with you. [00:32:45] Speaker A: So I love it. The friend Brittany Riddle, who I've joined forces with to make WMP production. Let's. It's so funny because the name is so stupid. It's called where's my Phone? Because we have one picture that's our favorite picture where we're in Vegas. We're very drunk. I'm taking a picture with my phone. She's on the phone. But we are currently searching for her phone. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Where's my phone? [00:33:08] Speaker A: So we were like, you know, you can think of ages, Think, think for ages about the name. And we were just like, why this is. [00:33:14] Speaker B: Oh, it's perfect. [00:33:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And then WMP sounds more professional. [00:33:17] Speaker B: It definitely does sound more professional than where's my phone? But if you're. You have a media production company and this is literally how we do it. Where's My Phone? Is a brilliant name. I know, I'm obsessed. [00:33:29] Speaker A: So we're, we're very happy and we've. She's from Alaska and how, how the. Well, she lives here. Got it. She lives here. Yeah. I went to Alaska on a journey to meet friends. No. After I came. Conquered the jungle. Yes. Couldn't live without the trees anymore. Alaska. David. What's his name? [00:33:52] Speaker B: Ducavigny. [00:33:53] Speaker A: I was gonna say Dickinson, which I think is like a tanned person that does an antique show. [00:33:58] Speaker B: David Ducharne, the first David that I thought of. [00:34:01] Speaker A: That's so all of. All of the Davids. [00:34:03] Speaker B: I'm a huge X Files fan. Okay. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Keep going. Yeah. So we. [00:34:08] Speaker B: Riz is defending the neighborhood. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Yes. I love it. She's my protector. There is a celebrity in the house. No, we, you know, from Alaska. You'd immediately think wilderness people, bearded men, fishermen. But she's like a purple haired dancer that was part of The Knicks. And is a choreographer now. And we worked on a show that her husband wrote that she choreographed. And she was like, people don't know that there's people like that from Alaska. And then take it back to what the show we kind of want to present is to capture the moment. Like in this. Contracts that we've just done. Like in contracts that I have done that you are thrusted in this group of people that's like, here's your family for the next six months. Year. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:53] Speaker A: And then you will maybe not see them again or. Or they'll become family friends and you'll live with them forever. You know, like, there's this moment of, like being thrusted into a strange group. Yep. And only having that. And none of your securities. Yes. That I don't think we've seen before. [00:35:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:35:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Nice. Ooh. Yeah. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. [00:35:18] Speaker B: I mentioned already what we do is unnatural. What we do is unusual. I. I don't think there's anything more strange than touring the world with a pop star, if any. If you're looking for anybody to pitch a show to your production company, because living, working, eating, sleeping, traveling with the same people and then having the grand spectacle of the show. It is entertainment on. Entertainment on. Entertainment on drama. That's. It's. [00:35:46] Speaker A: You can't get away from it. [00:35:47] Speaker B: That's the formula for that. Good luck getting somebody to give you access to. [00:35:53] Speaker A: Well, it's more. [00:35:54] Speaker B: I would not sign those papers. [00:35:56] Speaker A: No, me neither. And we wouldn't go. I. I'm saying what I can say. But there are, like. There are environments that can be easily explored that have the same feeling as. And that is what, like, hit home with both of us. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Very cool. [00:36:10] Speaker A: If I could have filmed when I moved to Germany to do we will rock you and now have the friends that are initialed all over my body because of that show. I mean, they took. [00:36:22] Speaker B: He's talking about tattoos, by the way. Oh. If you're not looking. He was gesturing to the many different tattoos. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Yeah. There's. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Looks at his left arm. And those people I met being thrusted into Germany to do this show and all of us not having a clue and only having each other. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, that could have been filmed. [00:36:41] Speaker B: It is reality tv. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:44] Speaker B: High stakes circumstances. High pressure. People who don't know each other. Having to live, eat, sleep, work, and survive together. [00:36:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And a beginning. Like, there's an ending. It's like reality works and then there's a show when there is a definable point. Yeah. Yeah. And we've, like, learned so much, like, the Jersey Shore, two years into the show, Jersey Shores income, like, what's it like, how much revenue they got? [00:37:10] Speaker B: Like, actual location? [00:37:12] Speaker A: 1400% more because people wanted to go there. There's, like, things like that that you [00:37:16] Speaker B: don't think it has huge. I'm like, huge impact. [00:37:19] Speaker A: Yeah. That these things are filmed and, like, everyone wins. [00:37:22] Speaker B: Yeah. That's cool. I'm so excited for you. [00:37:25] Speaker A: Me too. [00:37:26] Speaker B: I'm very excited for you. [00:37:27] Speaker A: It happens. Yeah. I mean, it's going very well. [00:37:30] Speaker B: It's happening. Yes. [00:37:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:31] Speaker B: If you need a choreographer [00:37:35] Speaker A: for. Oh, no, it's. [00:37:36] Speaker B: It's not gonna be for the dance. [00:37:37] Speaker A: It's not gonna be. I. I like, link it to dancing because of. It's a very similar environment. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:44] Speaker A: But it won't be dancers because it's very hard to get access to dancers. Yes. Yeah. Circus. Well, it is a circus, but it's like, you know, you can't get access to that stuff. And, like, I would never want to do a show where they have to hold things back because. [00:38:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:38:01] Speaker A: I. When I did the Voice, the coach I had, which there was famous people from Holland, but I didn't know them at the time, obviously now, and they. Their first bit of advice was like, if you pretend to be someone, you'll get bored of yourself and then you'll fail. Oh. So just be yourself. And I was like, okay. [00:38:20] Speaker B: And then that's pretty sound advice. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:22] Speaker B: In dance and. [00:38:23] Speaker A: Because it really. It really was. Because then I already had so much to think about that I didn't have to think about the Persona that I was. [00:38:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:31] Speaker A: Going to have to keep up. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Have to put on every day. That is exhausting. [00:38:35] Speaker A: Too tough. And like, again, you're tired all the time, so you could just be you. [00:38:44] Speaker B: Are you ready for the rapid fire burnout round? [00:38:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:38:47] Speaker B: You have to lead with the guts. Don't even think about it. Just give them. [00:38:50] Speaker A: Is it like one word? [00:38:51] Speaker B: Some of them. [00:38:52] Speaker A: Okay. [00:38:52] Speaker B: Coffee or tea? [00:38:53] Speaker A: Coffee. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Dogs or cats? [00:38:55] Speaker A: Dogs. [00:38:56] Speaker B: Beef or chicken? [00:38:57] Speaker A: Beef. Yeah. I actually like chicken more, but. [00:39:01] Speaker B: But don't tell Beef that Beef is Paul's dog. [00:39:03] Speaker A: Yay. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Having beef at work, like, on set in the essential, it changes the whole day. It's incredible. Are you a morning person or a night person? [00:39:14] Speaker A: Morning. Unless. No, I'm always a morning person. Okay. I love being up before everyone. It's my favorite. Wow. Okay. [00:39:24] Speaker B: I would not have paid you. [00:39:25] Speaker A: So the world is mine. [00:39:26] Speaker B: I do feel that way. That's why I like Working on Sundays. [00:39:28] Speaker A: On a Sunday? Yes. [00:39:29] Speaker B: I'm like, everyone else is really slacking right now. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Let me get ahead. I'm a hero, but, yeah, you're welcome. [00:39:35] Speaker B: I'm a hero. You're welcome for me. When's the last time you took a ballet class? [00:39:41] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Oh, I wish I could see this back. It was when I was a teenager, wearing tights and a jock strap and ballet shoes and there was a bar and everything. Yeah. I had to do it. Yeah. College. [00:39:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:57] Speaker A: That's the last time. [00:39:58] Speaker B: And you had to wear. You had dress code. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:01] Speaker B: Wow. That's important. What's the last song that you sang out loud? Like, really loud? [00:40:05] Speaker A: Oh, my God. In the car on the way here, what was it? Oh, where the Hell is my husband? Yes. Because it's like, advertisement. Where the hell is my husband? [00:40:14] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:40:15] Speaker A: From Ray. It's the new song. Where the Hell is my Husband? [00:40:17] Speaker B: You don't know. You guys keep singing it. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Did it not sound exactly the same as her? You can't tell. [00:40:23] Speaker B: I don't know this. I'm sorry. [00:40:25] Speaker A: I really. [00:40:25] Speaker B: I. [00:40:26] Speaker A: That. [00:40:26] Speaker B: Once I get into a thing, I listen to only that thing. [00:40:29] Speaker A: And I have not been that song everywhere, though. Yes. That song and Man I Need by Olivia Dean. I'm like, love her. It's just. It's my advertising. [00:40:39] Speaker B: What is the song that you were singing on the boat that I have a video of when we were on the deck tomorrow. So it's Riley that has it, not me. I was scouting. [00:40:49] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Tomorrow by Annie is one of my favorites. What's her last name? Warbucks. How do I know that? [00:40:56] Speaker B: But as a pop star, she's just Annie. Yeah. You sang Tomorrow because. Was that my birthday? I think you were singing it about my birthday. [00:41:08] Speaker A: It was going to be tomorrow. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Oh, my God. And I was looking for it because I wanted to send it to you yesterday because the podcast is Tomorrow and I couldn't find it on my phone, and now I'm realizing it's because it's on your phone. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:19] Speaker B: Oh, my God. So good. [00:41:20] Speaker A: That's so good. Enter clip here. [00:41:35] Speaker B: What's your favorite guilty pledge? Pleasure. Like favorite indulgence? [00:41:40] Speaker A: Alcohol. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I understand. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Just let me have my coffee, huh? [00:41:45] Speaker B: Where do you like shopping? What's your favorite place to shop? [00:41:48] Speaker A: Walmart. [00:41:48] Speaker B: I was gonna say my answer right now. Whole Foods. Really love it. Sometimes I go there. I don't need anything. Sometimes I leave. [00:41:54] Speaker A: Why would you go to Whole Foods? You can't buy a tent there. Walmart food and a tent and a jungle gym and a fishing tank. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Okay. So we're checking out at Walmart. What are the three things you're checking out with that's going to disturb the checkout clerk the most? [00:42:12] Speaker A: I don't know if it'll disturb them. They have the cheapest egg white in a carton. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Okay. Egg whites in a garden. Keep going. [00:42:17] Speaker A: And then I usually. I get really obsessed with storage. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Containers. Yeah. Yes. So there'll be a container there. Yeah. Which, I mean, that could freak them out. [00:42:28] Speaker B: Okay, well, if it egg whites, a container, and the third item, probably a candle. Okay, so I can tell you've never played this game before. The game is called Three things. You try to save the most disturbing thing for last. My. It's like your trump card, right? [00:42:45] Speaker A: A candle. [00:42:47] Speaker B: I was like, well, we can do better. [00:42:49] Speaker A: Damn it. [00:42:50] Speaker B: One of my favorite third items to use is meat mallet. No matter what your first two items are you close with meat mallet or Jonas Brothers CD or like. [00:43:00] Speaker A: Or like a PVC shower curtain? [00:43:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Children's baby oil. Now you're getting the hang of it. [00:43:08] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. All can be found. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Weirdly. I have Walmart in my bag today. [00:43:14] Speaker B: In your Mary Poppins bag. Okay. What is your, like, Stranded on a Desert island album that you cannot live without? [00:43:22] Speaker A: Cindy Lopez. She's so unusual. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Ah, nobody's ever said that. And yet that is a great album. I've listened to that. [00:43:29] Speaker A: Who I am. [00:43:30] Speaker B: It's your identity. [00:43:31] Speaker A: It's my identity. We. Do you want the story behind it? Yeah. Very lame. [00:43:37] Speaker B: Please. [00:43:37] Speaker A: But we. My first trip to America, I was eight years old. We went to Disney World for three weeks. Thank you, parents. Now I'm realizing, I mean, it was in 94. Okay, so probably cheaper than economy. [00:43:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's different. [00:43:52] Speaker A: Probably cheaper. We had like a people mover, we call them, you know, like a van that fits everyone. The only tape we had that I had purchased at the airport was Cindy Lopez. She's so unusual. And it would play it and, you know, like, could turn it around inside. So for three weeks straight, it was just that album. And now every single song makes me think of my childhood and something of a great time that I had and the reason why I wanted to live here in the first place. [00:44:18] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:44:20] Speaker A: So I don't think I could ever live without it. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Oh, my God. What a great supporting story. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Gave myself goosebumps telling that story. Viewers at home. Paul's hair has stood on end. It's so funny. Sometimes I Get watery eyes when I'm like, really do something really nice for myself. [00:44:37] Speaker B: I can't wait to share this photo of Paul's leg with goosebumps and his socks sticking out. [00:44:42] Speaker A: This is just emotions. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Oh, God. Okay. We're so close. Oh, my God. A music video that you wish you were in so bad. [00:44:54] Speaker A: The. The. Where. The Rihanna thing which comes out of the water. Where have you been? [00:45:01] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Good one. [00:45:03] Speaker A: I have tried to do it in the mangrove and the photographer took some pictures and I could not find them. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:45:10] Speaker A: But I would love to do it. Anything with, like, water in it. [00:45:13] Speaker B: I will need to see those. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:15] Speaker B: How about a TV show or reality show that you wish you were in that you think you would win? How about that? [00:45:21] Speaker A: I would love to do Amazing Race. Yes. I would love it. Yes, I love. I would watch that. It's so fun. [00:45:27] Speaker B: I would watch that. [00:45:28] Speaker A: And it's the relationships between the two people. I'm so lucky to have such good relationships with friends and people and family that I also, like, could do it with anyone and would love to see what happened. Yeah, I love. That's my favorite part of it, is the relationship. [00:45:45] Speaker B: The relationship, yeah. That's what the show is about. [00:45:47] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Favorite dance step? [00:45:50] Speaker A: Go jazz pounce. [00:45:52] Speaker B: What? Jazz pounce. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Like, when you do a jazz to the floor. [00:45:57] Speaker B: Jazzly to the floor. [00:45:59] Speaker A: Absolute shouldn't. [00:46:01] Speaker B: It's so good. What about least favorite dance step? [00:46:06] Speaker A: The plie. Anything lunging. I'm not alone. [00:46:10] Speaker B: Gotta tell you what, You've gotta bend your knees, though. It's. It dance. It's a. You really? A plie. It actually maybe is the most essential move. So it's. It's kind of funny that you don't like it. [00:46:23] Speaker A: I hate the most essential move. No, but I mean a plie. Like, I don't like a sustained one. Oh, the move. [00:46:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Crush. [00:46:33] Speaker B: Paul just gave us a grand plie. Okay. How about least favorite word? [00:46:44] Speaker A: Oh, my God. I'm stumped. Least favorite word? I don't like the one beginning with P. That describes a vagina and a cat. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Really? [00:46:56] Speaker A: I just don't. I feel like people use it in songs and I'm like, oh, did you need to. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:02] Speaker A: It's not because I don't like them. Think they're very beautiful. Thank God you have them, because that's how people are invented. And so there's not a gay thing. I just. I don't know if I like. I think it's from wap. [00:47:14] Speaker B: Yeah. It was too much. It Overdid it for you, I understand. How about your favorite word? [00:47:21] Speaker A: Brilliant. Yes. I love saying brilliant. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Brilliant. [00:47:25] Speaker A: Brilliant. [00:47:26] Speaker B: It's very British. [00:47:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:28] Speaker B: And how about a North Star, like your guiding principle. Is there a quote or a mantra or something that guides your daily life? [00:47:36] Speaker A: Yes. Beef. [00:47:37] Speaker B: It's West Virginia. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Wait, what is. Her family has. You don't. If you don't ask, don't get it. [00:47:46] Speaker B: It's. It's the same as squeaky wheel gets the grease. [00:47:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:48] Speaker B: If you don't ask, you don't get it. Yeah. I've heard you say this. Actually, I don't remember what the context was. Was it always a hotel or something? [00:47:56] Speaker A: Is there? No, it probably was. Can you make the happy hour alcohol last for an hour longer On Wednesday at the Hilton. [00:48:03] Speaker B: I am dead. But if you don't ask, you don't get it. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:06] Speaker B: And that is important to. [00:48:08] Speaker A: I used to be like really nervous, like in a store being like, do you have my size? And I'm like, but if you don't ask for it, something as simple as that. If you don't ask, you don't actually get it. So you can put it in everything. Like they can say no. And often people are so nervous that you've asked them that you say yes. So it's brilliant. It's like the hacker hack code or whatever. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Cheat code. [00:48:31] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:48:32] Speaker B: There it is. [00:48:33] Speaker A: Techlinger. The one. One of my non talent. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Yeah. The only one, actually. [00:48:39] Speaker A: We've just found it. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Just found it. You lucky listener, viewer Paul, you really are the gift that keeps on giving. I've smiled for over an hour. You're a delight. You're so fucking funny and very smart and I'm so grateful to be on the receiving end of your very funny criticisms Sometimes. Usually it's Riley. Paul mostly picks on Riley. [00:49:00] Speaker A: Oh, yeah? Yeah. [00:49:02] Speaker B: Anytime I eat chips, I think of you. [00:49:05] Speaker A: Well, you can eat them. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Can we. Can we just. [00:49:07] Speaker A: You just decided to crumble them all over your T shirt. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Can we just end on the funniest thing that Paul's ever said to Riley? It's gonna be a you had to be there moment. We went to sit outside. We were on break. [00:49:21] Speaker A: One day after a very long day and very long days. [00:49:25] Speaker B: Yes, many. Yeah. We're like in the thick of it and there's only a handful of places to sit outside. And one of them is this bucket chair. And we were like kind of standing awkwardly deciding who's gonna sit in the bucket chair. And Riley said, oh, I'll sit over there. I'm not even eating. She had a smoothie. So she sits and she's drinking the smoothie and we're having our conversation and they, we, we had some crafty inside as well. So there's like, you know, cookies and chips and things like that. And so lunch break goes by and then moment of like silence and just enjoying the sunshine. And Paul says out of nowhere to Riley, you know, for somebody who didn't even eat lunch, you really made a mess. And indicates at her shirt, which is because she's sitting in a bucket chair where there's rope. You sure have a lot of chair on you. You sure have a lot of on you. That's what. You know, for someone who didn't. [00:50:15] Speaker A: I just don't like liars, okay? I do not like liars. [00:50:20] Speaker B: But you did. [00:50:21] Speaker A: You had CR for. [00:50:26] Speaker B: All right, that's Paul Turner, everybody. You've got a lot of on you. And life is reality. Wait, what was it? [00:50:33] Speaker A: I live in reality. [00:50:36] Speaker B: Reality is my life. Thank you for laughing and learning with us today. I know. [00:50:42] Speaker A: I'm glad you learned so much. So much. [00:50:45] Speaker B: And got the visual treat of having us in front of you for. For an hour. Please leave a review rating. Click the bell for notifications. 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