Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:06] Speaker B: This is words that move me. My dog Riz is the cutest thing.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: Period, that there is.
[00:00:13] Speaker A: I'm gonna.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: We're cutting to. I can't even get past the intro because I'm staring right at her in Riley's arms. I just took a video. I'm gonna.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: It's.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: You're gonna see it. I'm gonna share it. I'm showing it to you now.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: And you're welcome. And you're welcome.
[00:00:31] Speaker A: Welcome.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: You're welcome. To words that move Me. I'm Dana. I'm super stoked about this conversation with the one and only Sienna Lyons. I have been a fan of Sienna's for a long time. We finally get to sit down and talk shop and talk music and talk movement. Oh, y', all, you're in for a treat.
But before we get to the treat part, let's do another treat part.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: I like to do wins on the podcast. I like to celebrate what's going well. Because, hey, if you don't, who's gonna. Here's what's going well in my world. I have lived in Los Angeles for 20 years now. Okay.
And just this past week, I got my first ever Los Angeles based primary care physician, Ra.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: The crowd goes wild.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: I have a pcp. I finally have a doctor in California. I have lived in California longer than I lived at home in Colorado. Right. This is insane. I'm forgetting her name right now. But she's great and she matters.
That's what's going well in my world. How about you? Do you have a primary care doctor?
[00:01:44] Speaker B: Yay.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: So glad that you're winning. Let's get on with the show, shall we? Sienna Lyons is a world renowned educator, choreographer, and dancer. You probably recognize her from having danced with Taylor Swift, JLo, Pharell, Selena Gomez, Jo. Jennifer Lopez. Did I say that already? Britney Spears.
The list of credits, honestly, goes on and on for too longy long. So without any further ado, please welcome the one and only Sienna Lyons.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: Oh, that was so many ball change. Hip rolls.
All right, Sienna, welcome to the podcast. We're in it.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: We're doing it.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: We've got our lap pillows.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: Yes, I saw flat pillows. They are. Yeah.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: You don't always know what to do with your hands, right?
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. I sl. This too. With a. I sleep with a pillow.
[00:02:35] Speaker B: Riz this morning. Dude, fucking too cute. Almost didn't get out of bed as a result. You know what? This actually is pretty Riz size.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: I was gonna say very Riz size.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Very Rizz sized.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Especially in like a cuddled.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: Sleep. Oh, my gosh. She donuts up into. It's not a donut. It's a timbit. It's a very small donut hole.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: Precious.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: You're precious. Thanks for being here.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: Of course. Thanks for having me.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: I really admired you and your work for a very long time. Thank you. And so this is overdue.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I'm excited to get to know you better. And we'll talk nuts and bolts and process and also some probably unrelated idiot shit, like what kind of products you use in your curly hair. Yes, I do want to know.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: Let's talk about it.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: But first, before we do any of that, you have to introduce yourself.
[00:03:19] Speaker A: Okay, cool.
Well, hi, everyone. I am Sienna Lyons. I am a choreographer, dancer, artist, director, producer, all of those fun things.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: Educator. Educ. Educator.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: You're right. Yes. Teacher. I've been teaching a long time.
Yeah. I've been in LA for 8 million years, aka close to 18, so a long time.
[00:03:45] Speaker B: It's like a full keeping track.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: Who's keeping track? Doesn't feel like it.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: April 1, 2005, that's when I got here.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: I officially been here longer than I was home, longer than I was in my birthplace.
[00:03:57] Speaker A: That will be me in March. That will be because I moved out here. Yeah. Right. At 18.
And this will be my 18th year in March.
It feels like it, but it doesn't. Exactly. Yeah.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Time out here is funny. I feel like it's a slippery concept, especially after the pandemic and. What even is time? Yeah.
Does it feel like home?
[00:04:17] Speaker A: It does, actually. I really like it here. People ask me if I see myself ending up in la, and I do. I actually don't. Unless something pulls me in another direction at this present moment, I. I enjoy it. I like the. There's so much stuff to do, Great food. The weather's great. I'm from Seattle originally, so. The rain ain't me, honey. It's not me.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: I do love a Pacific Northwest.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Vibe.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: Like, esthetically from the outside, but on the inside, if it could be 78.
[00:04:51] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: And overcast.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: I'd be fogging with that very hard. But as it turns out, we sit pretty here on October 29th and it is going to be 90 something.
That's a little extreme for me. I am wearing a full sweatsuit.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: I. I want to be wearing layers right now.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: It's where I would like to be. But we'll get there eventually. We'll have like one or two weeks of it. Be fun.
Okay, cool.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: Was that the.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: That Was your intro phenomenal?
[00:05:15] Speaker A: That was my intro. Sure. Yeah, that works. Start there.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: Can I disclose something like that?
[00:05:20] Speaker A: Let's do it.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Okay. So when I'm, like, scrolling, I see a lot of dance, because that's my bubble.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: Same.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: And whenever I come upon you, probably like 95% of the time, if I'm gonna give it a number, I could make this statistically clean. I could keep, like, tallies by my phone, But I'm Gonna probably say 95% of the time, I say out loud, involuntarily hot.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Great.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: That's what we want.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: The word comes down like hot.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: So number one, I would love to hear about how you teach that, because I've actually never taken your classes on my list.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah.
[00:05:57] Speaker B: But I'm wondering, what is your approach to teaching that? Because sometimes it's you dancing, but sometimes it's not. And no matter what, I'm like, hot.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Oh, I love that. That's beautiful.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Great. So, yeah, how do you teach that? So we're like, jumping in.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: No, I love it.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: That was really fast.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: But it's. You know. So I'll just start with how I even started teaching heels, which was.
It's so weird. It was. I've been trained, you know, I've been in since I was three. All styles heels. Never, you know, it just. Which I know it's like a. It's a jazz derivative. Yes. In a way. Or, you know, that's. When I think about it, if I have dancing heels, it's like character shoes or just more of a character driven routine, I guess you could say, as growing up.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Let's rebrand heels as character.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Right?
[00:06:45] Speaker B: Character class.
[00:06:47] Speaker A: Let's see.
So there was Debbie Reynolds. Rest in peace, the Studio. Oh, my goodness.
A couple of my friends, Dacia James and Andy Jamison, they started a class called Hip Hop in heels.
And that was. I loved it. I was like, I can use my lines, which I love. Jazz, that's like, probably my favorite style.
But I also, of course, love grooving and hip hop culture. I love the music.
All that fun.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: And you love a challenge, and I.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: Love a darn challenge.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Plus your center of gravity.
[00:07:17] Speaker A: Yes. 100. Let's just throw our whole weight forward and see how that works.
[00:07:21] Speaker B: Zero weight in heels.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Good luck, quads.
[00:07:23] Speaker A: Good luck quads. And no glute activation. Great job, everybody. You've got.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I did legs day before yesterday, and when I just engaged my ass just now. I'm sore, y'. All. That's good. We had a PR day. We're lifting heavy. Honey, come on now. Love that.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: You got to.
So, yeah, it's definitely difficult, but I loved it because it was. I could be sensual. I could dance to music I enjoyed and feel feminine. So I really liked it. Took this class a lot.
By the grace of the universe. One day they both couldn't teach the class and they asked me to sub it and I was like, sure, that's how it started. So I guess just letting that be the segue in.
I really love moving femininely.
I love feeling that power.
What I don't always love is the easiness of it that can be portrayed in heels dancing.
[00:08:15] Speaker B: As far as easy as in a character trait versus easy as in a degree of difficulty. Yeah.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: I mean, character traits. Yes. 100.
I enjoy the tease element. I enjoy that.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: I'll give you hard.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:08:28] Speaker B: Very challenging. You can't have.
[00:08:30] Speaker A: Yes, you can't have it. I will give you a little peek and then the rest is up to your imagination.
[00:08:35] Speaker B: I'm gonna show you what you can't have.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: Yes. 100. So I kind of. I lean my sensuality more towards that side. I think, like, I'll let you feel it.
What. What you can get, but you're not going to get the whole shebang. Because I do find that to be a privilege.
So that's where I get. I guess my confidence comes from that sense. I'm just. And again, to each your own.
I just am not a fan of the overtly. Like, this is my vagine and I'm going to show you it basically.
And then I'm going to get all this attention from that I would like to. Personally.
I enjoy attention from. Yes. That wanting more element.
So that's kind of what I try to teach is like, you don't have to do the spread eagle and then what I call. Sorry, the yeast infection, which is the wipe from the booty to the cooch. You never do that in real life.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: It is the wrong direction.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: You're taught at a very young age not to do that. So what makes it attractive to do it now on camera? On camera, anyway.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: Just because you're wearing shorts as a barrier.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: Shorts. Sometimes. Sometimes not even. Yeah, I. The first time I saw that move. The eastern.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I call it.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: The Yi was in 2007.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: In real life, Michelle Martinez on tour with Justin Timberlake and yo. Listen.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: I mean, she's a g. She gets a pass. Yeah, she'll get a pass.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Did you. Did you. Did you 2007. It's 2025.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Simply not just for hygienic reasons, but simply on. On points for originality.
[00:10:12] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: I do think we can move on.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: But that. The first time I saw it, I.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: Was like, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: It made me feel feelings.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: It makes you feel feelings.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Imposing. But it was also. I wanted to do it. I didn't know if I could fold.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: All the way over like that.
[00:10:29] Speaker B: Anyways, she's epic. That was a chapter.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: And, you know, time and place and character. Yes. It doesn't need to be every single character I do. I can be. There are different forms of sexy, if you will. Right. There are different ways you can portray that. Yeah. So I just live a little more on the.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: Don'T look at me, but look at me. Subtle. Yeah.
[00:10:52] Speaker B: I've talked about sexy as being colors before. There's different colors of sexy. But when you just did that gesture, this, like, kind of retreat. There are not just different colors, but there's different opacity as well. We can be at 100 opacity. That's the yeast infection. That's like full pixels, full wattage, full on overt sex.
It's like even sex acts like we are simply emulating sex. Sex.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: The act what you would do. But in Lycra.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: And with music playing and with eight counts. Okay.
And then there's, like, 2% opacity, which is like. Did she just. Did she just.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: Wink at me?
[00:11:36] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:11:37] Speaker B: Maybe. Or there was dust.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Right. Or even just, like, a smirk really quick. It's so light. Yes.
[00:11:43] Speaker B: I like thinking of it as being shading and color as well, and there's huge variety in both. And so when you're teaching it, you're simply, like, vocalizing and verbalizing. These are options. Use restraint. And also, you're an example of it. So they're seeing what that looks like.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. And I'm also talking about. Well, just body language in general. Right. Like, bringing my chin to my shoulder adds a whole element. Or dropping my chin slightly or lifting it higher adds this Devil Wears Pradameral street feel to it. You know what I mean? Like, there are just different ways you can utilize your body parts to make.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: I feel like in that it's so. I'm so glad that you just said that.
I talk a lot about neck and head alignment when I'm giving judges critiques. Yes.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: I think there is a misconception that intensity looks like this.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: I know.
[00:12:34] Speaker B: The only way you can be intense is you drop your chin, and that's gonna really fuck with your chin.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: Yes. Whoa. Whoa.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: So if you're trying to do intense fouettes, look out.
But Meryl Streep in Devil Wears Prada feels like her chin is always up. But sometimes it's your eyebrows.
[00:12:49] Speaker A: Oh, for sure.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: And sometimes it's just the arch of her bangs.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: 100%.
[00:12:53] Speaker B: Her character is definitely arched. Like McDonald's arches arched even in the.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Things her mouth did. Like, with how the way she would do it, the smirks, the frowns.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: Our Lord and savior, Meryl Streep.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: No, for sure.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: Do you have, like. I think Meryl is the North Star for most actors. Do you have a North Star dancer?
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Somebody who you're like, oh, a dancer.
[00:13:20] Speaker A: I'm a huge fan of Danielle Polanco. She, to me, is like her lines and just her character all the time to me is not one to be played with. I love you, Danielle.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Fucking correct.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: She's definitely one for me. That I am. I'm always learning from. I'm always just enamored of watching her. And, yeah, I just. I learn a lot, and I give her a lot of flowers for inspiring me also to do what I do.
[00:13:48] Speaker B: Co sign.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: Yeah, she's great.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: She's a special bird.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: And then there's, of course, like, Fosse, you know, like, people like that that I really look up to as well, just for the original element. But, yeah, Danielle's definitely one for me.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: She. I hold her in this category of people who can use dance.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: I think a lot of people make this analogy that dance is language.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: And we talk about how you phrase. And we talk about don't yell all the time. And.
[00:14:16] Speaker B: I feel like she is our generation's Shakespeare when it comes to being able to use dance as poetry to say shit that might be lost on a normal ear. I do think that's not to say that a non dancer couldn't look at her and recognize like, oh, that's fucking special.
But trained eyes and ears look at her and we're like, oh, the technique.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: We don't deserve you a little bit.
It's just every little nuance.
[00:14:45] Speaker B: She's so technically capable, but uses the technique like Shakespeare did. So technically capable that you can be artful with it and really fucks shit up.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: Yep, yep.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: She is a special one.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah, no, she's great. She's definite favorite.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Nice. Thank you for saying that.
Okay, so in my observation of you, there's this. The part that's like, ooh, hot. And then there's the part that also I see as Having great range. And I am a person who loves versatility of style, not just in dance, but of style, of life, clothing, music, all the things.
So I wanted to talk about how you see yourself in terms of being a generalist versus a specialist and how it serves you to think of yourself in one way or another. Like, I think there are moments of my life that I've done very well by entering the space as a person who's pretty good at all sorts of things.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: And there are moments when I've been served by being like, no, I'm singular. I'm the only one of me. And I am a specialist at.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:15:47] Speaker B: I'm so curious about how you think of yourself with regards to being a specialist or a generalist. Sure.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: Well, that's. That's a good one.
But, yeah, like I was saying earlier, heels was like the last thing added, which is so funny. It's kind of what I'm known for.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: Totally.
[00:16:05] Speaker A: So it's. It's interesting to me because even now, you know, being out here for so long and obviously going through such a different.
Different waves of dancers. Right. I've seen so many come through, as I'm sure you have as well. So a lot of dancers have also seen me in different lights.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: So obviously now, which, you know, isn't all I'm teaching, but majority of the time, yes, it's heels. It's so funny. When I take normal classes, people find.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Out like, that you can do other shit.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: My God, you. I didn't know you could dance outside of the heel. And I'm like, well, shouldn't you be able. If you can't dance Anyhow, I don't want to see you dance in one because it is a specialty prop. So it's like, if you can't do that, I don't know if I want to see you.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Did you think I just went straight to that?
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. It's fascinating to me. I kind of enjoy it. It's also funny. I'm just like, that's hilarious that this is where a lot of people hold me again. Great. Do whatever you do.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:00] Speaker A: But, yeah, I.
I mean, I've trained in all styles since I was three, so I.
I've done like. Tap has also been one of my strengths. You know, it's.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: Oh, I see that very now when.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: I think about your musical.
So I think it does help me a lot because I have. I'm able to have my hands, I think, in two different worlds at that sense. If I were to break up like the jazz type of dancing or work more of the technical dancing and then the commercial dancing. I've been able to infuse both a lot of the time. So, for example, like more of the commercial hip hop, they'll bring me in to do more of the technical stuff. Yes.
For example, I work with Dominique Kelly a lot and he gets brought in for the musical theater to bring two more commercial artists, which I love. So I've worked with him on that too, on more of bringing this other style into the commercial world and kind of navigating through that. So that's really fun to watch as well.
But yeah, I think because I'm both and then even more so in the technical spaces or I'm just going to use like cruise ships, for example. I can teach you the technical things. We can do the jazz routine. But I can also help you spice it up with the commercial hip hop flavor that might be lacking on this side. A little bit.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Something a little.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: I find it to work in my benefit, of course, because I do have hands in multiple. That gives me the ability to work with different types of choreographers and camps too.
Yeah.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: I want to, like, put the magnifying glass on what you just said. You said it's to my benefit, of course.
And please, listener, viewer.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: Like the fact of the matter way that you just said that is fact of the matter to us because we have benefited from having great training.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: But for the aspiring person out there, I hear so often.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: I don't know what to do. I'm afraid that I have too many interests. I don't know who like the compartmentalization of dance, I think has happened because people think they need to choose one path or one direction. I'm thinking specifically, specifically of our friends over at CLI who have to choose a track to train at and they don't know if they want to do concert or commercial or street or whatever. I don't remember how they genre.
[00:19:24] Speaker B: Genre their tracks, But I do know that as a mentor to a lot of those kids, I get this question that's like, I don't know what way to go. I don't. I think I'm being pulled too many different directions. It is an option to think.
Of course it's to my best interest to do many things. Of course it's in my best interest to have a lot of interests. Of course, I am more singular because of my many, many different skill sets and tools and techniques and exposures, experiences. So I just want everybody listening to Clock that. That is so.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: Optional to think that way. Like, of course, it has benefited me to do many things because that. That's how I see it also.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: But I have felt, especially in my early days, a sense of begrudgement to all of my dance convention teachers and my dance studio teachers who said, you've got to be diverse, you've got to be versatile. Because when I landed here, it was like, no, we're actually looking for the best B boy. We're looking for the best pole dancer. We're looking for the two sexiest women to dance next to Beyonce. Like, you know what I mean? I felt slighted because what my experience was when I landed here was like, no, you want the. The 1%. You want the best of the best of the best. And I've been training to be pretty good at most things.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: That will fade.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Or it is also an option. I shouldn't say it will fade, but it's a viable option to want to be the best at something.
And it's as useful to be very good at many things.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I think what.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: I agree with them as well. You know what I mean? I do agree. I, I get it. Especially when moving out here, you, you, you're like, I can do jazz. I can do this, I can do this. I'm flexible. I, yeah, it's all of these things. It's like, it's just like a juggler. That's all I see in my head right now.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: Please let me be right for you.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: I do all of this.
I, I feel I also came out with that mentality. Right. I grew up in the convention competition circuit where, yes, you're doing everything you're told. You need to be great at everything. Yes, obviously. Well, I think when you move here, you're in blessing and a curse. You're like, oh, that was kind of a lie as far as, like, the things that you're told in the convention circuit. Oh, my God, Please tell me the.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Other lies that you were told.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: I, I think that's a spin off podcast, by the way.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: And it's, you know, I, of course, now being in it, I, I, you see why some things can't be fully said. Like, this is the real deal.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Yeah. But we're glad that there are no hard rules our world, but please.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: And I am definitely trying to bridge a little more of that. Like, this is the reality, you guys.
So for me, one is, I think in the competition world, you know, most of the time, of course, when you're in group numbers, that's different. You need to be dancing together.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: You're.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: You're taught to be the star, the shining, bright star all the time, start to finish.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Got to be able to do that enough to the point where you can get my attention. 100 people.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: 100.
And so then I see dancers, including myself, that were. That were maybe praised in this world. Right. You were like the shining one at your studio or at the convention or during the audition or during your solo. And then you move here, and you're like, yeah, you're not blending. Yeah, you're standing out too much now. It's like learning that when to turn it on, when to be that star, when to be like, look at me. Like, everybody, look at me. And then when to. You have to learn how to dim it. You have to blend. Because at the end of the day, you know, during that callback, I always say, maybe the first round is when you're showing your individuality and your. Your star quality.
[00:23:04] Speaker B: Interesting. Yes.
[00:23:05] Speaker A: I think the second round, personally, it's more so now they're trying to match you with people, finding opposites, finding a group that works. So then your brain has to kind of shift to be like, oh, now I have to blend. I have to make sure I'm looking enough like everybody else. So kaleidoscopically, when the choreographer or the creative director. Thank you.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: I love. Well, when I create, that's how I watch. I watch up or low, and I watch everything. So I'm like, as a kaleidoscope. Me too. Yeah. I mean, it's blending it literally. Yes. Anyways, for me, from a dancers, I think that not learn, just learning how to blend better is also a key thing that I don't think is taught much in that world.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:48] Speaker B: Well, I don't know. Different teachers have different things, But.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: I love the idea of thinking of auditions as phases versus having one approach for the entire audition.
Initial cut is my rock star phase callback. Now I'm standing out in phase one. Standing in. In phase two, like, imagine me in the project fitting in instead of standing out. I like that a lot.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: Then, of course, when the artist comes, you want to do your thing, hopefully. And then at that point, you have to, I think, use your best judgment of, like, okay, they're looking at me. Do I want to stand out too much? Have I heard that this female artist doesn't like girls? Things like that? So I need to pull back. It's like, just real. That's where you have to just use your judgment.
It is Gymnastics.
Yes.
Constantly making choices and hoping that they land and they might not. But I think either way, it's a great thing to fail at it or to not.
Great thing to know to never do it again or. Wow. That worked in my favor totally. Both great things.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: I love that. I would love to have Daniel on at some point.
And this is her story to tell or my story to tell with her here. She's ridiculous. She would. But it would be crazy. I have to tell you my story of the artists. So. First cut. Okay. Janet Jackson.
[00:25:09] Speaker B: Was it the Demita Jo album? I don't remember what they called that tour.
[00:25:12] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: So there's the initial cattle call.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: That was.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: There were 800 people at that audition. Phase one. Phase two was days later.
I met the callback. We're getting down to it.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, no. Okay.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: Couple rounds of callbacks happen now. Janet's here.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:25:28] Speaker B: Danielle is in my group.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: They say, do not leave this taped in square on the floor.
So what did Danielle do?
[00:25:36] Speaker A: She left that bitch to this.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: Before the combo starts.
Music on. Danielle is out. And she is on top of the table in front of the Janet.
And I'm back here in the box. Like, hey, anyone care to watch me do the combo? Or are we just. No, it's just her.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: Cool. Yeah.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: This whole. We're gonna leave.
[00:26:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: And none of us got kept except her. And she did the gig.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: I've only seen that happen twice where I was like, that was smart. And it would be Danielle Scher. Tasha Riley was one that did it. Once you got it, back that shit up. Because I usually hate.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Gotta be able to.
[00:26:17] Speaker A: Usually I'm like, I really hate that you felt you had to walk up to me for me to see you. That's what it feels like to me a lot.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Use your power from back there. I just set a boundary. You're showing me that you're a rule breaker. Which we, to be honest, already know about Danielle and Tasha.
[00:26:32] Speaker A: We. And they are.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: We know this. And so in a way, they're meeting our expectations versus trying to obliterate our.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: But I think shoe. That is them always. Right. They are always.
[00:26:43] Speaker B: It is authentic.
[00:26:45] Speaker A: So, yeah. I'm not mad at it because again, this is you. But it's very obvious when people are like, I'm gonna make this choice right now. Yeah. And it's like, no.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: And it's. You should have palpable. When they're making it from a lukewarm place.
When it's a tactic, when it's. When it's a.
A bit.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: Versus when it's them.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:27:05] Speaker A: Because I usually hate it.
Yeah.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: I will never forget that moment. That's like one of my most career defining cuts.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:13] Speaker B: Is that moment. And I just watched it happen.
I don't even know if. No, we definitely danced the routine because I remember being dancing and she was still on the table during the choreo.
Actually, no. I think I blacked out, to be honest. At that point, nothing else mattered.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: There's so much I truly.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: I left the room at that moment.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:34] Speaker B: Which is such an interesting thing to consider. I actually haven't talked this story through to this part in a really long time.
[00:27:44] Speaker B: When we talk about exceptional situations like that and exceptional people like Danielle, there is. We usually think about what that moment meant for them, which was for them. The result of that was she booked the job. But for everybody listening who undeniably will be in the room when one of those iconic moments happens, be sure you don't cut yourself just because somebody else is booking themself. Like, what happened to me in that moment is I cut myself. I turned off.
And so.
And usually when I tell this story, it's like the lesson is for.
Oh, man, sorry. I'm rehearsing this thought as I'm saying it out loud. The lesson is for.
For the listener to either stand out or not. But no, the lesson is for everybody in that room, when that moment happens, to manage your mind around that shit.
Because you can act accordingly. You can like cut yourself. First day in the game.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And you've been on the other side of the table.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: Sometimes I've already booked you.
[00:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: So then for me to see you do that, that would also make me be like, oh, that wait for you.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: To see who do that.
[00:28:55] Speaker A: Okay. Like the you in the room.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Like, totally. I've maybe already watched you learn it. I've watched your energy walking in. And then I'm gonna be like, oh, I like that. So even though this girl's taking my attention, I could have already in my brain, like been like, oh, but that's.
[00:29:13] Speaker B: Not for this gig.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:29:14] Speaker B: What we need for this gig is a white curly headed brunette girl.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:29:17] Speaker B: And you're sitting here trying to hire me and I'm over here cutting myself.
[00:29:22] Speaker A: That's more so what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. So I've already.
And then now I'm seeing you shut off in this moment.
[00:29:28] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: I. I'm gonna lose a little trust. Right. Or like my feelings going.
Yeah. Because you just don't know when it's. In that moment. Yes, she could have gotten cut. But then they could be like, oh, we're gonna get her for. I'm choreographing for so and so next week. She'd fit in perfect with that.
[00:29:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: But then me seeing that turn off, I'm gonna be like, oh, you know.
[00:29:43] Speaker B: That way I would pay for this footage.
It was so crazy. Jillian Myers was assisting.
Tony was there as well, choreographing and doing many, many things. Reno taught the fucking audition combo.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: So good.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: And I'm auditioning in a group with Danielle Polanco. It was fucking legendary.
[00:30:08] Speaker A: What a time.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: Back when we used to walk uphill to school both ways.
I mean, there you go. I am getting older.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: Hello.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: It's happening. Do you feel it?
[00:30:19] Speaker A: How are you doing?
[00:30:20] Speaker B: How are you doing with that?
[00:30:20] Speaker A: You know, it is interesting indeed. Age is an interesting thing. I mean, they're not.
[00:30:27] Speaker B: When your body is your job.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: It's the body. It's. It's the.
I mean, it's weird because I. I've. I'm training. I've, like, started to lift a lot.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: Don't give me.
[00:30:37] Speaker A: And I'm obsessed with it. It's great. And I'm okay. That's another thing we were lied about in the convention world is cross training.
[00:30:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: You did not cross train. That was not. You were not supposed to lift weights. How dare you?
[00:30:49] Speaker B: No, you need to take away your flexibility. It's going to take away your flexibility.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: And that's a lie.
[00:30:54] Speaker B: Only if you don't stretch. I mean, if you do need to be better at. You need to be better.
[00:30:57] Speaker A: Okay, I'm. I'm scared of that. Maybe that's what the goodness.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: So you're doing a lot of the stretching.
[00:31:01] Speaker A: Terrified of losing that because it's already leaving, you know, but like.
[00:31:03] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right. I.
Yeah. My sister is a few years older than me, and so she's approaching the perimenopause. Yep. And she was like, girl, let me tell you, what you don't ever need to do again is cardio.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: You need to be. Which is also a lie. But I was like, I like cardio a little bit. Yeah, I know it's a lie because.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: Riley.
Riley and I.
Riley and I almost miss our flight to Italy. So I. So. For a job, for a gig. So I have seen people running to catch their planes at airports, and 99.99% of the time I'm like, you're a fool. Yeah, rebook that yeah, you're not making.
But listen, you did international for a gig.
I'm running.
[00:31:50] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: I'm. I'm sprinting.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: I'm an Olympian athlete, so I know.
[00:31:55] Speaker B: For a fact I don't do enough cardio because I was looking for where I was gonna throw up. I was like, where?
I'm gonna puke for sure.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I've been like, roll aboard.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: Bag shoulders, tearing at the joint. My tools are shaking. I'm shaking.
Burning sensation in my throat, which might have been the champagne from the Delta lounge.
Was our flight leaving from the Delta terminal?
No. No, it was not. We ran to Tom Bradley from the Delta terminal in 10 minutes.
[00:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: That's a 10 minute mile, which I. So I took my sister's advice. She's a physician. She knows what she's talking about. I haven't done cardio in a long time and I know I need to now. I do. Yeah. Do you work out at home or.
[00:32:40] Speaker A: Do you go to a gym? I'm a classer girl. I'm also not a gym girl. I.
I think, I don't know. My personal brain is. I spend time teaching everybody and like coming up with the plan. I just want someone to tell me.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: Somebody else to do. Come on. This is why I love pill.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes, exactly. So I'm more of a class taker. I like, I'd say for the past maybe year and a half, two years running, I take Orange Theory, that type of training.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Come on.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: And I hate running. But it's this. There's something about it that I. I love.
[00:33:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: And I think specifically there, it's competition too. It's like looking up at the splats, you know, like, oh, you're going. You got 13 right now. Okay. I'm going too. So I'm very competitive in that. Okay.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: I am less so competitive.
But I do love thinking that I can't and then finding out I can't.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Yes. It's cool.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: It's cool.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's like I'm getting stronger, but the body just. It doesn't move as much as I.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: I have to cool down.
[00:33:41] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:33:41] Speaker B: I have to warm up.
Recovery days are real. But also the rate that prehab and rehab and just wellness in general is advancing.
[00:33:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:52] Speaker B: The infrared, the plunge pool, the.
I've got an apparatus over there. Nice. That is a waistband that heats up and vibrates.
[00:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:01] Speaker B: And now it's like I do that while I'm doing. I hurt my back earlier because I've been getting stronger. I thought I could move My couch by myself.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: Okay. Yep, yep.
That's fine.
[00:34:15] Speaker B: So.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: And you live here by yourself, I'm guessing. So.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: It's also. I. I'm here by myself. I'm the same. So it's like, I'm gonna do it.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: I'm gonna do it.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: And there's no one else here to help me.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: But as a result, I wind up meeting a wellness team that really, really fucking knocks out of the park. I have a couple PT things that I do every single day. Whether I'm gonna move or not. I love it.
That's my rose colored glasses on the fitness and injury thing. But.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: And I think with age 2, that's the key is consistency. Like I've learned now. This was my aha this year. Oh. So I should come to PT even when I'm not hurting.
That's what keeps me not hurting. Yeah, it was like, that sounds so silly. But like, I'm used to. Oh, my, I'm hurting. Let me go get it fixed. Yeah, no, now it is. You need to go all the time to prevent.
[00:35:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: That you have to do. That was my light bulb. I was like, wow, I've gone a lot of this year. No pain. Why PT was like, because you're coming consistently get into it. And 36 is a real age. Like you're in shape. We're in shape for the, for the normal, you know, mid to later 30s.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I know we are.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: But like, it's still. You still got a body. It's still a normal body in there.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: And there's still normal gravity out in the world. And unfortunately, what we've put ourselves through up to this point is abnormal.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: Yep. 100.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: Okay. Back to being a full life person with many, many skills and many experiences. Because I know you do teach a lot.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: You choreograph a lot.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: You still perform a lot, which, thank God. But I do know that you are wiggling into choreography.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: Not that you.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: This is another thing people do. The way we genre fy dance. We also like dance versus choreography. You can absolutely do both. Yeah, that's not what I'm saying. What I want to talk about is your experience is broad. Is there a place that you prefer operating? Like, do you love choreographing for tv? Do you really love having a weekly spot at ML? You really like what's. What's your o.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: So many different reasons as to why I enjoy these things.
Okay, I'll start with teaching. I enjoy teaching.
Well, a. I. I truly enjoy helping dancers with those aha moments. I Hope. I love that. And I love lovingly pushing dancers to their ability that they might not even know can hit. That's orange Theory. Thoroughly enjoy. Yes, for sure. You're.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: You're your coach, for sure.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: So I really enjoy that element.
[00:36:42] Speaker A: And then I enjoy the teaching quality, too, because, yes, I would say I teach now. Mainly, I'd say one of my biggest strengths is helping the dancer get ready for the professional world.
So that, to me, I feel like I have a pretty keen sense, so I really enjoy that element, too, of helping dancers find their individuality or their space in this industry. But per. Selfishly, what I really enjoy about teaching is I can do whatever the I want. I can teach to whatever song. Yeah. I can teach to whatever type of song. There's no genre I have to stay stuck to.
[00:37:20] Speaker B: You got great taste of music.
[00:37:21] Speaker A: Thank you. You too. I know we connect on music quite a bit. That's our definite one of our connections. But, yeah, so I. I enjoy it because of that. And it's my own. It's my own. I can do it how I want. I can. The warmup can be 30 minutes if I damn well want it to, or 10, or I can do across the floor, all class if I want. And that's my call.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: Freedom.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, how so? I love that. How blessed. Yes. But on the other side, this is where I guess my Gemini trait. I'm a Gemini twins.
I love industry work because I find it such a fun challenge to color in the boxes I'm given. Or what I'm the outline I'm given to color in, to shade, like you said, to make it light or dark. Like, I love being constricted in boxes because it pushes me to, like, oh, let's see what I can do within these parameters. So I thoroughly enjoy both sides, but I love having the freedom in both, if that makes sense.
[00:38:15] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, there is freedom in both. There's freedom in being directed.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: Like, this is the reason why you like an orange theory class.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Yes, exactly.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: Tell me what to do.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: Tell me what the problem is.
[00:38:23] Speaker A: I will execute it to my best ability that I can.
So I enjoy both very much. So, like, I find it. I tell a lot of the dancers, too. I help train or mentee, like you should start finding, basically. I don't mean to sound like a. But something's always gonna go wrong, especially in live show, something that's never gone wrong in the eight weeks you've been doing it. In the dress rehearsal, in the camera block, there's gonna be something that Happens that you're like, wow, out of all this time, it's gonna happen now.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:53] Speaker A: There's so much fun and beauty to that. I love those moments of, like, having to really like that problem in present. I said, you have to find joy in and, like, excitement in that, because it's always gonna happen. Yeah. Shit's always gonna go awry, and you cannot show it, and. But you have to fix it, and I love that element.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: And when's the last time that happened to you in person? Do you remember? Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Takes off shoes.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: I was choreographing for the Kids Choice Awards in Mexico City.
[00:39:28] Speaker A: And, you know, sometimes working overseas is very different than the rules and laws and regulations that are in the States.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: They're.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: You know, we could say sometimes they're not fun, but I would say in this situation, I was like, I'm so grateful for the laws that are in America.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:39:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: Me, I've worked in Mexico or in Latin countries quite frequently. I worked for a lot of Latin artists, so I've. I've. This wasn't my first rodeo, I guess, working here. So I know to open over, ask questions, to over communicate, to double, triple, quadruple check all the time.
I have dealt with jobs. Just an example of, like, hey, is there gonna be pyro? No. And then there is, and it burns a face of a dancer. That has happened.
So because of that, I now am just.
[00:40:17] Speaker B: Worst case, worst case, worst case.
[00:40:18] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:40:19] Speaker B: Wow. Okay.
[00:40:19] Speaker A: So this being with kids, and I was brought to Kids Choice, I choreographed for Kids Bop. I have for 10 years. Yeah, girl. A job I would have never thought I had, but. But so grateful for it because I've had it for 10 years. Just.
[00:40:31] Speaker B: And those are rare shout out, rare drops.
[00:40:33] Speaker A: And I'm so grateful. They treat me great.
Yeah. So was there. Cause they were performing on it, and then they were like, you might as well just do the opening number since you're here. Okay, great. So I did that. So I'm also working with a lot of people that don't speak English or. Well, good English Kids, too.
[00:40:46] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah.
[00:40:47] Speaker A: So because of my PTSD of prior situations, I was like, hey, I see that there's pyro in the front. I'm just making sure that's not going off. Even if it's cryo. I just need to know. I would like to forewarn the kids. It's loud. It could still scare the shit out of you.
It's cold. You're gonna. It's gonna feel. You're gonna look crazy. I just would like to know. They don't do them.
So they're like, oh, no, they're not going off in this number.
Okay, have the mic on.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: I see some going off in the opening. I'm like. I feel like at the end, they're gonna do a big bang.
Kids are standing in the front. Not even kids, just dancers. So in that moment, I take my. What I call that so Raven psychic ability. And I look at the guy, said, don't turn the front ones on.
And he's, like, looking at me. Can't really speak English. Don't turn them on.
They were gonna go off.
Luckily, I said something because there was somebody standing right over it. Yes. It was cryo anyways, but just moments like that where you're like, you have to call a shot or not call a shot or just say something that might essentially, you might get cussed out because you're overstepping or whatever. That in that moment, I didn't care.
[00:41:57] Speaker B: Right.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: I'm just not trying to have that happen on my dime. So that was one I could have. Whoa. Yeah.
[00:42:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:03] Speaker A: It's.
Wow.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: Yeah. The sentence or the sentiment, what can go wrong will go wrong. I have believed, but I would have never thought of it extending quite that far.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: It can't.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: Safety. Yeah. Wowza. Wow.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: And of course, like, costume stuff, you know, like zippers coming undone all the time, boobies falling out.
[00:42:23] Speaker B: Definitely rips in the cross. It's happening to you. 100% of you listening, that perform for living.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: Your ears are going to fall out.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: They're going to ripping your pants.
[00:42:33] Speaker A: Yes, you will be.
[00:42:34] Speaker B: I.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: Was the cause for JT's ears going out. One night, I was running under the B stage and I tripped on a cable. And that was an important cable.
[00:42:46] Speaker A: That was an important one.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:48] Speaker A: Happens.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: I apologized.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: It does happen profusely.
Wasn't on purpose.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: I was running down there.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: There you have it. You were hustling.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: I was hustling?
[00:42:57] Speaker A: Yeah. You were trying to do your job.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Burnout round. Rapid fire. You ready for it?
[00:43:00] Speaker A: Get ready. Rapid fire.
[00:43:01] Speaker B: Are you ready?
[00:43:01] Speaker A: Wrist.
[00:43:02] Speaker B: We call it wrist. Roll with it. It's stupid.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: Answer from the gut. Coffee or tea?
[00:43:07] Speaker A: Coffee.
[00:43:09] Speaker B: Dogs or tats?
Dogs or cats?
[00:43:11] Speaker A: I'm gonna say cats, but I love both.
[00:43:13] Speaker B: Copy. Morning or night rehearsal?
[00:43:15] Speaker A: Morning.
[00:43:15] Speaker B: When was your last ballet class?
[00:43:17] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
Three years ago, maybe.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Last time you battled somebody.
[00:43:24] Speaker A: Have you ever battled in a dance battle? Never.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: Do you want to battle sometime? I've never battled.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: Oh, God.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: That sounds terrifying. I feel like I'm doing this in my head right now.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Boom, boom, bat boom.
You go save last dance. Front, back, front.
[00:43:40] Speaker B: Okay.
Okay.
Next year around this time is Halloween. We're both playing Julia Stiles and we're gonna battle with her audition solo. Are you down?
[00:43:53] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. Are you down?
[00:43:54] Speaker B: Listener Viewers, tune back in. Yeah, I'm only partially kidding.
[00:43:59] Speaker A: Maybe not.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Oh, my birthday party. So I turned 40 this year. Yes. And I'm gonna have a special birthday party. We can talk about it off.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Okay, great.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Okay, great.
[00:44:09] Speaker B: What's the last song you like, really sang out loud? Like belted.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Brandy all in Me. Full Moon album. Best album of life.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: Okay. Best album of life.
[00:44:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:21] Speaker B: Full Moon might be one of the greatest warm up songs of all time.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: I, I, she's if you know me and now you will. Brandy is my number one.
[00:44:33] Speaker B: Full Moon is absolutely the greatest album.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: Greatest album ever. Angel in disguise is a close second. Maybe like a point couple decimal points away. But Full Moon, there are so many reasons why it's my favorite album. And I could tell you one right now, because every song meshes together. And if you didn't know that, you can start hearing most of the tracks for the next song in the midst of the song going.
[00:45:00] Speaker B: The only reason why Full Moon isn't the only song I ever warm up to is because the interlude gets a little weird.
[00:45:07] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: Chopped off with whatever I have coming next. If you don't play what's next, it doesn't work.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Exactly.
Genius.
[00:45:15] Speaker B: Okay, great. So would that be your desert island playlist if you had to take an album if you were stranded on a desert island?
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it would.
I think a close second would be Robert Glasberg Black Radio first album.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: I don't know who that is.
[00:45:32] Speaker A: I'm gonna say you're welcome.
[00:45:35] Speaker B: Should I just remove myself?
[00:45:36] Speaker A: I'm going to say right now.
[00:45:40] Speaker A: Okay. He is the way I like to describe him for people to understand. He's like the David Guetta of R B jazz.
So he is the makes all you probably do and don't know it's him.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:45:52] Speaker A: But he is a pianist, crazy producer. But then has singers, R B singers, rappers over his tracks.
[00:46:00] Speaker B: Yes, please.
He is, I'm sure.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: I think he is. Besides Kay Trinada, I think Robert Glaspar, I've may be seen in concert the most out of any like 12 times. So he put plays a lot of Blue Note New York.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: Got you.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: I think he's part owner of Blue Note LA now. Anyways. Supreme love.
[00:46:17] Speaker B: Awesome music video you wish you were in.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: What's that one? Human nature. Janet Jackson.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Duh. Yes.
Favorite move?
[00:46:30] Speaker A: I love a ball change with the hip roll.
Yeah.
[00:46:33] Speaker B: Wait.
[00:46:33] Speaker A: Cross step.
King, king.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: I love that. I agreed with you by default. And then I was like. Wait, wait, wait.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: What do you mean?
[00:46:39] Speaker B: There's so many ways.
Yeah.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: There's so many ways.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: Yeah. How about a least favorite move?
[00:46:45] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: Ooh.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Let's think present. I'm gonna think present moment right now. What I hate.
Can I show you?
[00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:57] Speaker A: Oh, TikTok move.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: It's a what?
[00:47:01] Speaker A: TikTok move.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that one.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And they, like, tap the back foot. Ew. I'm just sick of it. It.
That's it.
There was a point where it's cute, but it gets. You know, dancers tend to overdo a lot of things.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: She doesn't bark, and she hates that.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: She didn't like that move either. I agree. I'm just sick of it right now.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
Was it.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: Let it roll off you, babe.
Okay. Least favorite word.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: Moist. That's probably a common one.
[00:47:29] Speaker B: Ridiculous. It did come up already, I'm sure.
Favorite word.
[00:47:37] Speaker A: I like the word audacious.
[00:47:40] Speaker B: Do you also love audacity?
[00:47:43] Speaker A: When it's done with good intentions? Yes.
[00:47:46] Speaker B: Audacious is nice. Audacious. O U S is nice.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: Yes, the sh.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: Audacious. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that. Audacious. That's nice. Good one. And what about the words that move you? A quote, a guiding principle, a north star? What is your.
[00:48:00] Speaker A: Like.
[00:48:01] Speaker B: Is there a quote or something that you keep coming back to?
[00:48:05] Speaker A: A mantra I constantly repeat to myself is, I am confident and strong. I am positive and understanding. I ooze calmness and ease.
[00:48:15] Speaker B: Ooze is another good ooze. Oozy. Also doozy.
[00:48:20] Speaker A: I love the word doozy.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: I love that word. Yeah.
Well said. And it's true.
[00:48:26] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:48:27] Speaker B: It makes sense that that would be your North Star, because it does seem like that that is a truth.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Yeah. That's like, what I say, you know, when the camera's out and you're in a small group. That's what I like to tell myself.
But really, for me, it's the positive and understanding. For me.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: For me, again, like you said, I'm really good at doing that for others.
[00:48:46] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:48:47] Speaker A: I have to really remind myself, hey, it's okay.
[00:48:50] Speaker B: But, yeah, talking to self, as friend, as cheerleader. Yeah.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: That's been a. I'd say the past two years, really in the limelight for me. It's like, hey, do better than that. You can talk better.
[00:49:04] Speaker B: You can.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: And you can enjoy yourself.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: Yeah. A very dear friend of mine called me out on it in real life because I was like, out loud, talking.
[00:49:11] Speaker A: Shit to myself, don't do that.
[00:49:12] Speaker B: She was like, you do that a lot, Mimi Cave. I love you for it. Also podcast guest.
[00:49:17] Speaker A: That's a great friend right there. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:49:19] Speaker B: She was like, I.
I dropped. I have had a little handheld camera that I brought with me everywhere. I filmed everything, and I dropped it. And I was like, wilson. And she was like, dude, stop talking to yourself like that. I was like, I dropped my camera. And she was like, you do that all the time. You've done that, like, three times a day.
[00:49:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: And I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, on the bus, you. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh. Oh, my God. It totally did.
[00:49:45] Speaker A: Quite sad at first when you realize it offenses when you're put. When you start to notice how you talk to yourself about yourself. When I started, it was sad for a while. I was. It made me more sad that I was talking to myself that way for so long.
[00:50:00] Speaker B: Right.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: And then you feel. You're like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.
[00:50:04] Speaker B: I'm so sorry. I'm coming.
[00:50:05] Speaker A: I've got you. I've got you. I promise, we're gonna work on it.
[00:50:07] Speaker B: We're mending.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: We're ending. And I do believe, like, yeah. What you say. You are. You are so, like, really be careful on what you say. I'm always late. Oh.
What do you do? You.
Because you can change that.
[00:50:20] Speaker B: And guaranteed that's not the true 100% of the time. It's not true. It's optional.
[00:50:26] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: But, yes. If you think is, you feel it, and when you feel it, that's how you operate.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: Wow. My friend. Thank you for that. I think ending on a gorgeously deep but high note and not a blue note. Although we love. We love Blue Note. We love.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: Actually, I'm planning to go in November. I'm not here very much, but my friend Kenyon Dixon will be.
[00:50:50] Speaker A: I know Kenyon well, too.
[00:50:52] Speaker B: I love Kenyan. I'm so excited.
Anyways, thank you, Sienna, for shining your lights and your many. For shading your light, I should say, on the podcast. I so appreciate it. Thanks for having me, you lucky son of a.
You're so welcome. And I can't. I really. I really do want to take your.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: Class when I want to come to yours, too. We should just. Yeah.
[00:51:12] Speaker B: And this always happens. We should just Keep a list, an email list. Because I'm always like, we should do something together. But. And then time happens. But I would really love that. So maybe here's what we do. Sorry, you're still listening, watching, but let's.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: Start a playlist that's like, this will just be daily greatness.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: We would this up. This will be fun for us to do.
[00:51:34] Speaker A: I know.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: And then there will be a song that's like, okay, we need to like.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: I love.
[00:51:38] Speaker B: It's gonna really be. It'll be the engine.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: Okay, great.
[00:51:41] Speaker B: And then Apple or Spotify. I'm a Spotify.
[00:51:44] Speaker A: Okay. I need to work on that.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: It's okay. She's an Apple.
[00:51:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: And I know that it is better. I know that it sounds better. I, I, I just, I can't get past the interface. I hate the interface. I know. Spotify's got problems too.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: I, I hear Spotify is better for my friends that have both, but for me, Apple just knows me.
[00:52:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:03] Speaker A: So it's like starting a new relationship. I don't, I don't want to restart what I like and what I don't like. Apple really understands me. We have a strong, solid relationship going.
[00:52:13] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, I get that.
[00:52:13] Speaker A: But yeah, let's make a list. I'm down.
[00:52:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:16] Speaker A: Music for life.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: Music for life.
[00:52:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: Fuck yeah. Thanks again, dude.
[00:52:20] Speaker A: Thanks for having me.
[00:52:21] Speaker B: Thank you, listener, viewer. Go get into the world. Leave a review, rating, comment. If you're loving the podcast and us or our outfits, or if you have curly hair and want to hear more about how we do ours. We didn't talk about it.
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I like also that all of my props are now on the floor. My pillow's on the floor. My shoes on the floor. New scene, new scene. Right?
[00:52:49] Speaker B: Okay, bye.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: Keep it funky.
[00:52:52] Speaker B: Keep it funky.
Get out in the world. Keep it funky. That's right. You should go give it to my camera. Come on, cuz it's cuz you said it. Cuz you didn't say. I didn't say my tagline.
That's why. That's why you need a team. Keep it funky.
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