Episode Transcript
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Hey, everybody. I'm Dana. This is Wrist Roll, AKA Rizz the Dog. This is Words that Move Me. And this episode is spectacular. Pats self on the back because it is a peek into the beginning of what is going to be a very fruitful creative collaboration between artists, specifically boy band artists, and their creative director and choreographer.
I'm rocked by what I just got to witness, and I cannot wait to share. But first, we're gonna do some wins. Today I am celebrating being closer to the end of than to the beginning of a very important contract signing that I will be able to tell you more about later. But, yeah, it's closer to happening than not happening, and it's big for me, so I'm stoked about things trending towards being completed.
You, what's going well in your world?
The way that Riz has one eye closed as I am itching the inside of her left ear with half her tongue out of her face.
She is in max relax mode, you guys.
Okay. I'm glad that you're winning. Riz also is glad that you're winning. She just can't express it right now. Today we are talking to the one and only Keone Madrid and the Full Circle Boys. All of them returning podcast guests, I might mention. Be sure to check out their first episodes because they're so much fun and so much thought. These are thoughtful people, y', all, making very thoughtful and important work. A few weeks ago, they released a Music video for free, $99. And this week, the week of November 14th, is the release of their second EP. So please give them a whole lot of love and enjoy this conversation with the Full Circle Boys and Keone Madrid.
This is going to make sense later. Ladies and gentlemen, the Full Circle Boys, Keone Madrid and me, collectively making a pimento olive Feeling very good about it. Thank you. Welcome to the podcast.
[00:02:23] Speaker B: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
[00:02:25] Speaker A: Actually, I should say. Well, welcome back. All of you are returning guests.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: We are indeed returning.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: You are returning. We gotta take this away.
Dozens.
[00:02:32] Speaker C: I'm a guest to the guests. So the.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: The second guest, but not the second best. Keone, I appreciate it.
[00:02:41] Speaker C: Was I. Yeah. You were on this show before us.
Yeah, I know.
[00:02:44] Speaker A: Jagger, you can't say interesting without the microphone in front of your face.
[00:02:48] Speaker D: You're on the show before us.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: I think you might have been. They were a year ago. I had you guys on almost a whole year ago, and I know that because you guys were on Riley's birthday, which is August 29th. Look at that. And you even sang her happy Birthday, which was so super sweet.
And Keone and Mari were on before that because you guys came on to talk about the film.
[00:03:14] Speaker C: Yeah. Space and time, but we weren't here. That's true. In the flesh. So it's a different experience, obviously, but that was over a year and a half, maybe two years ago.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: Yikes.
Have you been.
Catch me up.
[00:03:28] Speaker C: Yeah. Everybody doing. We've been great. It's. It's been busy. I mean, there's a lot to talk about because the first time they came on, we weren't working together and.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah, you guys have been working together for almost a year because you guys linked up right after we. We saw each other, so. Okay. I'll start by this. Oh, sorry. Duh. Welcome to Words that Move Me. You all have to introduce yourselves. Tell the audience maybe just one thing that you want us to know about you.
Bonus. If it's a different fun fact than last time. Good luck remembering your fun fact.
[00:04:01] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:04:01] Speaker C: Fun.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: We'll go with fun fact. And while you guys are thinking about that, I'm gonna buffalo over to turn the AC off, because didn't do that on the checklist.
Okay, we'll start with you, Keone.
[00:04:16] Speaker C: Hello, I am Keone Madrid. And fun fact. I am going to be a demon. Huntrix.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: Yes. I knew it.
[00:04:28] Speaker C: For Halloween this year.
[00:04:30] Speaker F: Yep.
[00:04:31] Speaker C: Because I'm a dad.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: Which one are you? Who are you playing?
[00:04:35] Speaker C: I believe my daughter has written me to be playing the role of Zoe.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Is a name that tracks. Yeah.
[00:04:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: When I watch it, I love it.
[00:04:45] Speaker C: I get the craze. I watched it with Numa, and I was instantly hooked. And I didn't know if I was watching it, she was watching with me, or if I was watching with her. Who's leading? You know what I mean? Who's leading this? But we were both locked in, and I totally get. It's the new. As the kids say, it's like. It's the new Frozen for their generation.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: Oh, what an upgrade.
[00:05:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: No offense.
[00:05:04] Speaker C: No, literally, I'm like. I'm down to be the K pop Demon Hunters generation.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: Absolutely. Nice.
[00:05:10] Speaker C: Good fun fact. Sorry, that was a long fun fact.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: Really good, though.
[00:05:12] Speaker D: Really fun.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: Very engaging.
[00:05:14] Speaker F: Okay, what's up? I'm Olly.
One fun fact about me.
I just came from the beach today. Yeah, I did.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: How was it?
[00:05:23] Speaker F: It was really fun.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: Do you surf?
[00:05:25] Speaker F: I don't. I. I can, like, try, but, like, I. I don't.
[00:05:28] Speaker A: What is your favorite beach activity?
[00:05:30] Speaker F: Sandcastles.
Oh, my gosh. Sorry, Slackline, I haven't done that. A minute. But I love.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: I can't tell which answer I like better, your first answer or the slack line part. Slack lady's mad hard.
[00:05:44] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: Yikes.
[00:05:45] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:05:45] Speaker F: Me and Dawson. Me and Dawson got good.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: Did you?
[00:05:48] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:05:49] Speaker F: Pretty good. Pretty good.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: I'm interested.
[00:05:51] Speaker F: So.
[00:05:51] Speaker A: Slack landing. Cool.
[00:05:52] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: Excellent.
This is going well.
[00:05:56] Speaker B: My name is Dawson Bell. Fun fact.
Last night I played Fortnite till 3:30am and I was playing.
They just added the K Pop Demon Hunters.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: So what are you wearing on your under eyes today? Because you look bright as all can be.
[00:06:14] Speaker D: Was asleep in the car.
[00:06:15] Speaker B: I was asleep in the car. James's car just puts me to sleep.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: That's what it is.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: And he was listening to some nice chill music.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: But yeah, thank you for that, Fortnite.
[00:06:24] Speaker D: I'm Jagger Moon. And what a name. What a name.
And my fun fact kind of ties in to all five of us and Keoni. We're gonna be the Saja Boys for Halloween. That's what we're being.
[00:06:38] Speaker A: I was gonna ask that on the podcast. I was gonna be like, so who's who of the Saja Boys? So go ahead and tell us.
[00:06:43] Speaker D: Oh, I'm the. He's.
[00:06:45] Speaker F: Duh.
[00:06:47] Speaker D: I'm the one that wears the Hawaiian shirt. I don't know, Abby.
He's mystery.
[00:06:53] Speaker C: Mystery.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:06:55] Speaker F: The quaff.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: The silver. Oh, my God. Yes, I see it.
[00:06:57] Speaker D: He's lovey dovey.
[00:06:59] Speaker C: Right?
[00:07:00] Speaker D: What's his name? The lover one. Not the main character.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: Should have been here for this. She would really help.
[00:07:06] Speaker D: He's the other one and he's the main character.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:07:10] Speaker D: Romance.
[00:07:11] Speaker E: That's right.
[00:07:11] Speaker D: Not Lovey dovey. Dawson's Romance.
[00:07:14] Speaker A: Great casting, you guys.
[00:07:15] Speaker D: Sean's the main one.
[00:07:16] Speaker F: What's the main one one's name?
[00:07:18] Speaker D: Ginu.
[00:07:25] Speaker E: Hello, everyone. My name is Sean Garrity. And my fun fact is that I am Team Frozen. Die Hard.
You guys can love your movie, but.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: Personally, just now, like, there was in there.
[00:07:36] Speaker E: I love Frozen.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I get it. Olaf is solid.
[00:07:40] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Is he.
[00:07:41] Speaker E: Hello.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: Is snow a solid or a liquid?
Sorry, sorry.
[00:07:46] Speaker E: He likes warm hugs. So.
But yeah, Team Frozen.
[00:07:50] Speaker A: Okay. I hear you.
[00:07:50] Speaker E: For myself.
[00:07:51] Speaker C: I hear you.
[00:07:52] Speaker G: Hey, what's up?
I'm James. And a fun fact about or not me, but a fun fact is that Ollie Jagger and I wrote a song and it is.
[00:08:04] Speaker F: Oh, my God.
[00:08:05] Speaker C: Crazy.
[00:08:07] Speaker A: Did you write it today on the way?
[00:08:08] Speaker D: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:08:10] Speaker G: That's what I'm going to say.
[00:08:12] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:08:12] Speaker G: I'm not gonna give any context because.
[00:08:14] Speaker A: Okay, just give Us the hook. We don't need any context. Just give us.
[00:08:19] Speaker E: I'll just say.
[00:08:19] Speaker G: I'll just say. I'll say one word. Aliens.
[00:08:22] Speaker D: Aliens.
[00:08:23] Speaker A: If they're not be seen.
[00:08:25] Speaker F: This won't be seen anywhere.
[00:08:27] Speaker G: This will never see the light of day.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: You're not allowed to say that on a podcast.
[00:08:32] Speaker G: It's fun.
[00:08:33] Speaker D: So these two give a hook or.
[00:08:36] Speaker C: Like a bar or something.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: Give us something.
Did the rest of you know it or. It's just a trio. It's a breakoff song.
[00:08:42] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:08:43] Speaker D: So these two were at a writing session one day doing actual work. Doing actual things they wrote. It's an amazing song. It's not as good as our song, in my opinion, but it's a good song. And us three were just at the house and we're like, we gotta do something. Yeah.
[00:08:58] Speaker G: These two haven't even heard it.
[00:09:00] Speaker D: Yeah, they haven't heard it because it's.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: Until now.
[00:09:02] Speaker D: We don't want to embarrass five.
[00:09:04] Speaker A: I mean, 1, 2, 3, 4.
[00:09:07] Speaker D: We didn't even, like. We didn't record parts. We just. It's called out. It's not out of town. It's called out of this world. That's what it's called.
[00:09:14] Speaker A: And it's about aliens, basically.
[00:09:16] Speaker G: Pretty.
[00:09:17] Speaker D: It is about aliens.
[00:09:18] Speaker B: What was the.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: I'm only gonna apply a little more pressure here. And then we're gonna move on a.
[00:09:24] Speaker D: Line that said feeling like a spaceship because I. Because I've been on the ground. I think that's one of the lines.
[00:09:32] Speaker F: It was. Okay, take it away.
Like, bro, this song is not serious at all. We were starting to write something, but we couldn't figure out, like, anything serious. So we put on this beat and we're like. This makes me think of aliens. So we literally just were, like, messing around and saying the craziest uncensored stuff ever.
[00:09:51] Speaker A: Similar, but different.
[00:09:53] Speaker F: Okay.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: My trio, the Seaweed Sisters. Similar origins. Which is like, we.
[00:10:00] Speaker F: Sorry.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: Thank you for that.
[00:10:02] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Kyona is just holding for applause.
We have to say something. We have to do some serious work. And we answer to that with serious silliness. Like, that is our compass. That's our North Star.
So don't play yourselves. Don't think that this song about aliens is. Is like a throwaway.
[00:10:20] Speaker D: This might be meant to be on snow one day.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: Got it. So it's a skit.
[00:10:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:25] Speaker A: Yes. Okay.
Maybe next podcast we'll revisit. I'll let you guys collect on that. We're going to move on.
[00:10:31] Speaker F: Yeah, let's move On.
[00:10:31] Speaker A: Oh, we're moving on. Okay.
So it's been about a year of you guys working with Koni. Last time y' all were here, we talked about a full circle moment that I had with your North Star at the time, which. Which was NSync. Are they still.
When it comes to boy bands, are they still your North Star, NSync, or has there been somebody recent?
No, that's like stolen the cup.
[00:10:56] Speaker F: I don't know. It's kind of like. It's one of those things where it's like we're just feeling or just like following what feels right to us, you know? One big inspiration of a boy. Like a boy band for me has been Brockhampton lately. Just because they, like, they did. They, like, totally went somewhere different with the name boy band, you know?
[00:11:14] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:11:15] Speaker F: So I don't know. That's. That's one of my big inspirations, but I don't know what the group. Is it still in sync?
[00:11:21] Speaker A: I love Evolution. I love that the temperature is mixed right now.
[00:11:25] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:11:26] Speaker D: You go.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: I don't know. I'm just feeling as of late, like, we're really carving out our own path. It's like, there is inspiration, but, like, that's not the lead of, like, what we're trying to do. We're just trying to find who we are. And I think we're finding it good.
[00:11:40] Speaker C: Hell, yeah.
[00:11:41] Speaker A: I would co sign on that.
[00:11:42] Speaker C: I've been watching.
[00:11:43] Speaker A: I've been listening.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: Like, it's coming together.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. So I told Back to Me told. I did. Do you guys read the comments of your stuff?
[00:11:53] Speaker F: Sometimes?
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: I made the mistake of reading the comments once on the podcast.
Somebody was like, God, she talks too much. And I was like, yeah, that's why I started a podcast.
Anyways, we'll return to criticism in a second because I'm curious to hear from you guys how that's been going. But I told a full circle moment about NSync when I worked with Marty and Justin on his Video Vanguard Award performance.
And there was this, like, I was a fan. I'm an MTV kid. Like, I watched every Wade Robson making the tour, every trl. I was watching all the things and filmed them, obviously, recorded on vhs. Burned out the tape watching these guys do these moves. And then one day after rehearsal, one of the boys, I really think it was jc, but it might have been Joey. I blacked out. I cannot be held accountable for the truth of this story. But one of them asked me if they could film me so that they could rehearse I remember that. And I was like, I watch tapes of you so that I can rehearse. And you're like, what the fuck? Full circle moment. So I would love to hear from each of you guys a full circle moment that has happened in the last year when. When you found yourself, like, whoa, this is meant to be. Or this is, like, uncanny, wild.
Maybe even, like, extraterrestrial, like, super out there.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: Alien song. Does anyone have one off the top of the.
[00:13:25] Speaker F: Yeah, I mean, I do got to say, our most recent video, we got to work with Sean Liu. And growing up, like, I just remember, like, watching his videos and just being like soup. Like, I just really loved his content. And so it was really cool to work with him. But, yeah, that was a cool full circle moment because I just remember being, like, in the studio, like, watching his videos and being, like, so cool.
[00:13:46] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:13:47] Speaker F: And then, like, getting to see him in person. It was really cool.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: And make something cool with him. Like, make something cool together.
[00:13:52] Speaker F: Yeah, it's. Yeah.
[00:13:53] Speaker E: Good one.
[00:13:54] Speaker F: Does anybody else have one?
[00:13:56] Speaker D: I have two. One not relating to the band and one relating to the band. I accept the first one. I got to go home in May to do 25th anniversary dance for my old dance studio with a bunch of alumni from the studio. So it was a bunch of people I used to dance with, and I was like, oh, it's like we're in such different places in life, but, like, we all, like, can still snap right back into being.
Like, nothing ever changed. Everything's changed.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:14:26] Speaker D: So that's one of them. And then another one getting to work with Keone.
One of, like, my, like, my favorite video ever is a video of this, like, boyfriend and girlfriend at the time, I think. Or maybe they were married already, I don't know. But they were dancing to Michael Dakota, Michael Jackson's Dangerous at Urban dance camp. And it was like, my favorite video ever. I remember going, yeah, I remember going to my dance teacher and being like, I want to do something like that. So, like, we did my solo to Dangerous by Michael Jackson, and now, now I'm at his house, and I'm kind of mean to him. I'm just kind of sassy to him. So, yeah, that's a pretty full circle moment.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: I will take it. Good one.
[00:15:06] Speaker D: Good one. Anyone else?
[00:15:10] Speaker E: I don't know if you'd call this a full circle moment, but it was really cool.
We got to watch Space and Time at Keoni's house, like, the day it was coming out. We hadn't seen it before, but we were literally watching it in his house feeling like we're part of the movie and, like, Mari's checking in on us, Keoni's checking in on us, and that, like, obviously the movie is. Is super beautiful and is already emotional, but to watch it with them inside their house feeling a part of the family was just, like a whole nother level.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: That's cool.
[00:15:47] Speaker B: I don't think I've cried that. That hard in a while.
I could not hold myself together. It was so bad. Especially, like, being in the room with him. I was like, it's bad. Nice. I don't know if I got a lot of sleep the night before either.
[00:15:59] Speaker F: But too much for it.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: It was so bad. I just could not. I could not.
[00:16:03] Speaker A: It will put you in a raw, emotional, vulnerable place. Too much video games?
[00:16:06] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I. I don't play.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, take it there. Tell us.
[00:16:11] Speaker E: Yeah, as you just said, you played video games.
[00:16:13] Speaker B: Yes, I. I play video games with my brother, you know, to just, like, keep that good connection going, but for the relationship.
For the relationship and with my cousins, so it's like, it's good bonding time. No, but back to the space and time, like, just. It was so beautiful. And, like, I think we all this past year have grown such a big relationship with Keone and Mari and his family. And then watching it was, like, so emotional because we just.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: It lets you in, man.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Really? Yeah, we're really tight with him, so. Yeah.
[00:16:46] Speaker G: Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say getting work to. Getting to work with Keone as well, because actually, Sean and I, we were on season one, World of Dance.
What season were you on? Were you on one or two?
Season one.
[00:17:00] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:17:01] Speaker G: And then that's when I, like, figured out who Keone and Mari were, and I was like, oh, my gosh. Who is this dancing duo?
[00:17:06] Speaker A: What is happening?
[00:17:07] Speaker G: And then now fast forward, like, I'm working with them. It's crazy.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: Keoni, what you got? Full circle moment.
[00:17:12] Speaker C: Go.
Well, this whole thing is really kind of a full circle moment. I think there's been a lot of.
There's been a lot of moments where I find myself seeing my younger self and these boys and their journey, but. But more so hearing about some of our overlaps in these early connections that I didn't know I had. And honestly, for myself, a year ago, you know, I wasn't.
I didn't like dance.
I just.
I didn't want to be around it.
I'm falling in love with filmmaking. That's where my heart is.
And I wanted to do everything to not have to dance.
And then Tabitha calls and she's like, hey, I'm working with this boy band.
Would you love to choreograph for them? I'm like, I'd love to.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Not.
[00:18:12] Speaker C: You know, like, tell me more. You know, I'm down to meet them and see what's going on.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: Not a no.
[00:18:18] Speaker C: It's tab, you know, like.
[00:18:19] Speaker E: Right.
[00:18:20] Speaker C: You can't say no when it's a homie.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: She has powers.
[00:18:23] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: I mean, and there's so much we. I mean, I owe to her. And also just she's earned everyone's trust 1,000%. So I'm thinking, okay, well, let me hear more. And she's also like, hey, I understand that you're getting more into filmmaking and directing and things like that. And maybe there's a music video down the path or whatever. I'm so. Okay, cool. Let's try something.
And that first rehearsal, getting to meet the boys and see their heart and see their passion and see how the whole inner working of the group is too. Understanding that they're truly an independent group, understanding that the management is just truly allowing the creatives to create because they left from a place of labels and obstacles and cutting out this red tape that exists between labels and artists, often the labels between the director and the artist. And there isn't as much of a deep connection. And so for that to be out of the way and for us to just be able to create, granted, the, you know, every. Every situation has its own boundaries. We didn't have the biggest budget, but I think that's always a. That's bigger room for creativity.
So anyway, I don't know. I think just overall, this past year, working with the boys, and I, you know, really believe in them. And, you know, I used to, like, watch Dana in one of my first concerts was. Was Justified in San Diego.
[00:19:52] Speaker A: Oh, not just. I wasn't on that one.
I didn't put this up.
[00:19:55] Speaker C: Okay. Sorry. One of my first concert was Future Sex Love Sounds.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: No, but I was at Justified, though. I was. I was like. I was a senior in high school when that came around.
[00:20:04] Speaker C: But seeing you also, I mean, just a part of the whole Justin brand and.
And being so inspired those early days and by Wade and. And that whole era and somehow being like, I didn't want to be a part of dance. And so going back to the beginning of that, and then I find myself a year later feeling like all of these things that I. That I love, filmmaking, dance, music are just firing in all cylinders and I. And I Love all of them right now, and so it's really cool.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: Ooh, thank you, my friend. And they are loving on you. This is a good fit. It's a good fit.
I want to jump back to what you were talking about, the relationship between group to creative to management.
I think there being a tight connection between group and creative is very apparent in the work. It doesn't. I. I receive no mixed messaging. I'm like, oh, y' all want to be dancing, or you all want to be storytelling? There's. I don't hear. When I watch it, I don't hear another voice in the room that's like, we need another performance pass. Please can we get another performance pass where they're just singing? I just don't hear that voice. And when I watch most music videos, I'm hearing all the voices that I've heard in my creative process with the notes that can. And sometimes they're the right thing to do. By the way, I've never been mad, especially if I'm editing. Never been mad having a great performance pass all the way through. I think it's a good piece of advice, but it feels so direct, and it feels like one voice and one message. And so applause to you all for working together in such a way that the message. That the message can come across so clearly.
I do have a question about this, about the how it's getting done. Like, how is the sausage made? Because I know. I know Tab is producer. Executive producer.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: On the videos, anyways.
[00:22:01] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: And I think that that word can be really confusing. So I want to know if you could talk me through, like, Tab calls you. Okay. And you're like, yes, I'm gonna choreograph a video that happens, like, point A, and then there's point B, C, D, E, F, G before.
I'm now directing multiple visuals for this group. What is her role at that point and what as director slash choreographer was your role did? Like, who. Who did what, actually, is my question.
[00:22:34] Speaker C: Of course, it was. It was a pretty fluid process. I think in the beginning, I was interested in directing, and. And obviously they wanted me to choreograph, and so there was a bit of a hook for either side of us. So getting to direct it was two videos and choreographed these two videos, and we shot them over two days, and we rehearsed only three days. Got it. So it was a sprint.
Very truncated. And I was already impressed by the ability for the boys to just go with it. I mean, you know, not every artist can handle that well.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: Not Artists. Not every artist has a dancer's discipline.
[00:23:13] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: All of you do.
[00:23:15] Speaker C: They all have a dancer discipline. They're all willing to put in the work and they know what it takes and what greatness and cleanliness and all the things that a dancer, that they've embodied in their training, they take that onto their music making into all the things that they do. But fast forwarding those two music videos and then after that it was like, oh, I don't know if we're going to work together again. We weren't sure.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: There's a part where you're like, good luck.
[00:23:41] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:23:42] Speaker C: It was kind of like, daps, I would love to work more, but let's see, let's figure that out. And then their other manager, Dave, calls or sends me another one of those songs, M80.
And.
And then they give me full creative run on that. And there's no creative brief. They're just like, hey, what would you want to do to this?
And. And then after that, they gave you a budget. Yes. Every. Every song gets a budget for or every music video gets a budget. And. And then from there it was, after we made that video, it was, can you please be our creative director? Can you, you know, work with us more often? And I was already into the idea and Tabitha's just been like, you know, kind of hands watching up from afar. You know, she's obviously busy doing her thing. And with JLO and everything, I think.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: Of a really good executive director.
[00:24:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Is to know when to be like boots doing the work and when to say, oh, you've got it, I'm good.
[00:24:35] Speaker C: Right, right. And. And she's also been like, hey, I know you've worked in the boy band space for a long time with BTS and all these K pop groups, like, please run with it. And so I was, you know, honored to, to have that sort of signature. But then moving forward from there, we went into making their first ep. Yeah.
We designing the whole, you know, that was my first time making an album cover and you know, kind of designing all the visuals with them and like talking about the song order on the EP and they. For them to allow me into that space is. Was really cool and to have that trust.
And then since then it's been really hands on and sort of like the management's been like, well, I guess your title is more like creative executive than creative director because you're sort of a part of everything. But I don't care what it is. It's just at the end of the day, the boys Allow me to work in their space because they come to me every so often. They're like, hey, we made this new song. We think you're gonna like it or whatever. And it's fire. Like if the music wasn't. If they were sending me bad music, it would.
The conversation would stop there, you know, but they're sending me good music. And then we had a session the first time, it was at my house and we had music on speakers and they played all the songs that they've had. And I think from that point it was like, wow. I really see the vision in terms of their sonic palette, how what an American boy band can look like today and not what it used to look like. And maybe the tone that we've been establishing. So I don't know, from your guys perspective, do you have anything to add to that?
[00:26:10] Speaker E: I just want to say this has been a dream collaboration for me because when we came in with you the first time, just to bring it full circle, the Call My Name video, the visualizer, we choreographed that and we were working with a director, but we also were assisting in that realm. So we were super hands on. And it was. It was a lot going on.
[00:26:30] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:26:31] Speaker E: Where like coming around this year, Keone, like, you can trust this guy 100%. Whatever we do is going to be the greatest thing ever. So that's been really awesome to like be able to lean on him.
So then we can come and work on music in between videos and like know that his choreography or whoever he decides to bring in is going to bring on top stuff.
And so it's really cool from like last year to be like we were the choreographers to now it's like, I mean, we're okay at choreography, but like, come on, we're not Keoni Madrid.
So it's like it's cool to be on the more music side at this point.
Our role has changed and has been awesome.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: Nice.
Yeah, it's nice to be hands off in certain areas where you used to be all hands on deck.
[00:27:18] Speaker D: Yeah, I was going to say that like we, like Sean said, we went from being like overlooking everything and we still overlook everything. But like, like on shoot day.
[00:27:27] Speaker A: I think you mean oversee overseeing.
[00:27:28] Speaker D: Yeah, we're overseeing everything.
Not overlooking, but also kind of like overlooking. Because on like on set, like for one of our videos, this goes out to you. Like none of us knew how that was going to work.
But like he's Keoni Madrid. So it's just like selfishly we're like.
[00:27:47] Speaker C: It'S gonna be Great.
[00:27:48] Speaker D: He's got it.
[00:27:49] Speaker C: It'll be fine. We'll figure it out.
[00:27:50] Speaker D: We got it.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: Which we always do, right? Like, we do always get it figured out. But if there's a piece of the puzzle that you're used to understanding fully, like, I understand fully how these eight counts are gonna fit together and when we're gonna cut and when we're gonna whatever. And then you find yourself in a place where you don't understand fully how something's gonna happen. That moment that happens next determines how you will show up on camera. And if it's trust that happens, then you get to show up fully and be your performative self. And if you stay in that uncertainty, we smell it. Like, we know you guys have surrounded yourself with exactly what you need. And when the moment comes where you. Like, I don't really.
You choose trust in your team, and then you keep choosing trust, because every time you do, it's reinforced by some sick shit like M80, which, like, really was a game changer in terms of music videos, period. I. I've never. I had never seen anything like it. It felt.
And this is all of my favorite work, by the way. Equal parts bright and dark, like, severely ominous and hopeful and, like, unsettling, but also, like, really human. Like, these are just some guys supporting each other through some hard shit. But also, why is it under my skin like that? And why have I thought about it, like, 19 more times this week? It really had a way of, like, getting under my skin and staying with me.
[00:29:18] Speaker C: I'm glad you felt that way.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: I haven't seen a video like that in a long time. So when you have work that can do that, then you keep making choices like that and being. Hopefully being encouraged by them and getting some positive feedback. Which brings us back to. Are you reading comments and how do you feel about the feedback that you're getting for your work right now?
[00:29:39] Speaker B: I think it's. I mean, it's good response. I mean, we're pretty underground right now, and we all know that, but the comments we do see, it feels really good to see because there's a lot of people that are like, why aren't these guys bigger than they are? Like, why does. Like, why have I not heard of these guys? And it's like, that's what we want people to feel. We want people to feel like they're missing out. We want to create the fomo. But I think we all agree that if the art's there, it'll come in time. And that's just what we're gonna keep doing.
[00:30:08] Speaker A: We're gonna call this episode Creating the fomo.
[00:30:11] Speaker B: Creating the fomo.
[00:30:13] Speaker C: I will say, like, I'm usually a person that doesn't like to look at any of that stuff after the fact. Cause I'm the type that, like, if you believe in the good stuff, you gotta, like, kind of also take in the bad stuff. And so it's just like, your opinion is probably the same, you know, before and after you make it. So just keep it that way and don't kind of ruin that process for yourself.
But having being in the business now of a music artist in the music industry and needing to understand algorithms and hooks and all of those things on TikTok, that is kind of driving all of us nuts right now.
And how to bring yourself to that as opposed to the other way is a really challenging part of. For me that I'm discovering, you know, like, what is it, the status, like, 60% of new music discovered on TikTok now.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: Whoa.
[00:31:07] Speaker C: And that's. I mean, they're. They're. This is their generation. And so we're trying to figure out how to tap in both on an artistic level, but also on a. On a personal level. Because at the end of the day, you know, the people are following the mu. They like the music, they like the visuals. But in a world of, like, so much content, what's going to stand out is it's ultimately these characters, these people that they want to follow. And we're just trying to get these boys characters to drive in these music videos, even if it's subtle. Like, in some ways, one boy is kind of leading a music video at a time that we've. We've done and been trying to do that subconsciously, but it's hard, man. Like, now we have to look at these comments and look at the engagement, all these stats, because I have people to answer to.
[00:31:47] Speaker E: Right?
[00:31:48] Speaker C: I hate it.
[00:31:50] Speaker A: You did just say something. I don't know if you caught.
I want to underline it for myself so I don't forget you said we were something about. We're bringing ourselves to that knowledge. Instead of bending yourself into the shape of a TikTok thing, you're going to bring yourself to the TikTok thing. So now I have this knowledge that says hook should be this and should be that. Okay. How do I bring myself.
Me, the thing that I am that's not that to this in an authentic way that isn't gonna bend and break you and make you contort to, like, be this shitty thing that you resent.
[00:32:29] Speaker C: Yeah. I told the boys, like, we. We have one go at this, and in a lifetime of work, you sort of want to be able to look back at it and be happy that you did that stuff. You know, I made a lot of stuff where I'm like, oh, maybe I wasn't so happy making that. Right. And just trying to instill, like, what do you. What do you all want to do with this? You know, And.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: Oh, good question. Let's answer it. What do you. What's the. What is the.
What's it called? Legacy. What are you leaving behind? What is it that you're going to look back on and be like, oh, glad I did it?
[00:33:01] Speaker C: Like that?
[00:33:02] Speaker F: Yeah. I mean, like, the stuff we're doing right now, I definitely don't regret, you know, like. Like, I. I 100% like.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: And how would you explain the stuff we're doing right now? How would you explain it?
[00:33:13] Speaker F: Like, just. I feel like it's just art driven, and it's just like.
I don't even know.
[00:33:18] Speaker A: Like, it's just beautiful. You could stop right there. That's wonderful.
[00:33:21] Speaker F: Yeah. And I. I don't know. For me, it's. It's kind of one of those things where it's like, I do want to look back and be like, oh, my gosh, Like, I love what I did. Like, no matter, like, who saw, who didn't see it, Like, I just want to look back and be like, man, that was so cool. Like, getting to do that and getting that opportunity.
Yeah, but.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: Yeah, so that's your own metric. Like, if you look back and you think that, oh, well, I liked it. So that's your. That's yours.
[00:33:47] Speaker F: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I feel, like, similar. Yeah, I feel like with the stuff we're doing, there's gonna be an audience for it, you know, and it's like.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: Yes, you are young gentlemen. There will always be an audience for you. No, but I'm just, like.
[00:34:01] Speaker F: I'm saying, like, whatever we're gonna do is like, I hope that. That we're not trying to, like, seek for an audience. We're not trying to grab an audience and then pull it towards us is that I hope that we do our own thing and the audience just comes to us, you know?
[00:34:15] Speaker A: Very wise, young man. Very wise. Okay, you ready for this?
So I asked Sam, and I'm gonna get in so much trouble because I'm actually gonna read it. Sam, whose last name I'm blanking on right now. Sam Choreo. Cookie. Sam.
[00:34:30] Speaker E: Pa.
[00:34:30] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:34:33] Speaker A: So, okay.
I told him I was having you guys on the podcast, and I was like, Sam, you pa m80, right? He's like, yeah. And obviously, like. And he's been a choreography forever. I was like, is there a question that you want me to ask them something that might reveal a piece of the process or something?
[00:34:51] Speaker C: Cool.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: And he sends me this paragraph.
[00:34:55] Speaker F: Oh, my gosh.
[00:34:56] Speaker A: Oh, my God. I might cry as I'm reading this.
Okay, now that Keoni's worked with them for, like, a year or so, how has Keoni influenced them as dancers, artists, humans, and as a group? I ask this because Keoni has changed me as a person, an artist, and a dancer. He changed my perspective not only on how to treat dance, but also how to treat myself and how far I can truly go when I put myself into the work. When it comes to leadership and creating. I'm sorry, Sam. I'm so blowing you up right now.
When it comes to leadership and creating a stage, I always think, what would Keone do?
And so I'm not gonna continue reading this message, but so beautifully said.
[00:35:39] Speaker C: Thank you, Sam.
[00:35:39] Speaker E: Right.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: That's the guy, by the way. Love you so much, Sam.
So love you, Sam. You guys all do have to answer this question. How has working with Keani changed you as a person and artist? Pretend like he's not here.
[00:35:56] Speaker F: Yeah.
Get out of here.
All I would say is that, like, first meeting Keone is.
I definitely knew that he wasn't, like, a business. Like, he wasn't like. He's like, I'm gonna come into the project. Do. Do what? I, you know, like, you know, wasn't, like, super controlling over everything.
[00:36:14] Speaker A: Okay. Okay.
[00:36:14] Speaker F: He was like. He came in and kind of asked us, what do you want to do? Like, what are your thoughts? And I think that he's just, like, a loving family guy, you know? Like, and I.
I definitely look up to him a ton, you know, like, and I definitely do say that in my brain all. All the time. It's like, whenever I'm trying to create something is. I'm like, what would Keoni do? Yeah, dude, What. What would Keoni do in this? Or, what would he. What would he think? You know?
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Yeah. So is this so awkward for you, Keoni? I'm so sorry.
[00:36:45] Speaker C: But I couldn't be better about this.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: But I couldn't let Sam, like, text me that and then not ask me.
Okay, so this is good exercise for you. Receive the flowers. Okay. Go ahead, Dawson.
[00:36:54] Speaker B: Yes.
I mean, it's crazy how much we've all learned from Keoni with This past year.
I mean, you can't put it all to words, but I think one thing that I really take away from Keone is just don't let the outside views of other people get in the way of your art. You know, if you have a vision, you got to follow it, because that's what people want. They want you.
And I think he portrays that in everything he does. He's Keoni. It's Keone and Mari, and it's not anybody else. So that's my takeaway.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: This is intense. I feel it for you, and I love it.
[00:37:35] Speaker E: Do you want to go, Jared?
Yeah.
I have two things. One, I think over the past couple years, I've definitely struggled with my love for dance.
And I think that, like, being surrounded by, like, good role models and good people that are creating good vibes has definitely changed that.
And I'm glad that that love is being revived and has new life, and it's become deeper because of it.
The second thing is that I think Keone is obviously one of the captains of the ship, of the full circle ship, and he demands excellence, and he brings whatever he does, he brings 100%. He's honest, pure, and has all the right intentions. And I think that because he's demanded excellence of everybody, that has obviously elevated us like, 20 fold, if not more than that.
And so, yeah, it's just been a pleasure.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: Nice. I'm going to pause you guys right there. I'll do a little pressure release on you, Keone. I'll give the rice cooker just a little bit of pressure release. You're sweating. I know.
[00:38:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: There's a theme that has showed up a couple times, and I want to put now the pressure on listener, viewer, who has ever judged yourself or doubted yourself in the moments where you are, quote, unquote, out of love with dance.
And if you are ever in a place where you're making that mean that you're not meant to still be here, or that dance isn't meant to play a greater part in your life, because I've definitely ebbed and flowed in my relationship to it. Don't feel the same way about dance right now as when I was on tour, as when I was training, as when I first moved to la.
It is a very complex relationship, just like a marriage or just like, like, like a romantic relationship, honestly. There's like, new relationship energy phase. There's breakup phases, there's, like, we're back in it phase. There's like, committing to it forever kind of phase. There's deciding like, oh, wait, maybe forever is not for us, but this part of it, I do want to keep forever.
So just if you're listening, I hope you're hearing that part of this conversation, because it's super important that falling out of love with something doesn't mean you're not meant for each other or that it isn't still with you or won't still play a big part in your life. It doesn't mean you're bad. It doesn't mean you're broken. It doesn't mean you're, like, a bad artist to, like, be out of love with your first art language. I think it happens all the time. So wanted to say that. And now we're back. Ready, Keone? Here we go.
Over you, Jagger.
[00:40:20] Speaker D: It's tough. I don't, like. I don't know how to put it into words.
Like, Like I said, I've been watching him since I was really young.
[00:40:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:29] Speaker D: And it's like, I remember, like, me and my friend Henry, who I used to dance with, we would just, like, send each other his videos all the time. So it's like.
[00:40:40] Speaker A: Like. Like how people send each other memes.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:40:43] Speaker D: We were just sending new Keoni videos, and, like, me and Henry really looked up to Keoni, and it's really weird to be able to, like, now know him on a personal level.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: And, like, my next question, by the way, is, what sucks about Keanu? So we'll get there.
[00:40:58] Speaker C: We'll get there.
[00:40:58] Speaker E: We'll get there.
[00:40:59] Speaker A: Now that you know him.
[00:41:00] Speaker D: Now that we know where we're going.
[00:41:01] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:41:02] Speaker D: But it's, like, so nice getting to, like, talk to him on a personal level now and not be like, oh, my gosh, it's Keoni Madrid. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Which I still am, like, in moments of, like, when I watch him dance or when I watch him direct, but, like, just getting to talk to him, it's like, like, oh, he's a normal guy, just like anybody else.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: And, like, that's how I feel about.
[00:41:23] Speaker D: I think that, like. Yeah, exactly.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: Like gods when they're doing their thing, and then also, like, idiots, like, sister humans when we're. Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:31] Speaker D: And I was like. As we go on in this industry, like, we meet new people all the time that we, like, think are really cool and insane. But, like, I have to. Being with him has helped me, like, realize, like, not to take anything away from you. You're amazing.
[00:41:45] Speaker C: You're great.
[00:41:46] Speaker D: But, like, just that you're, like. You're a normal human being.
[00:41:48] Speaker A: As well.
[00:41:49] Speaker D: And you go. And, like, you go through hardships. You go through doubt like anybody else, and you voice it when you need to voice it. And it's amazing because that, like, encourages us to voice problems when we have problems.
And then also, I think just the way he.
Sean, kind of touched on it, he wants to be the greatest of all time.
So it, like, inspires me to push it more because, like, I want to be the greatest of all time as well. But, like, I feel like sometimes I'd be like, I'll be the greatest of all time tomorrow.
But he. But, like, he, like, he's, like, really tapped into my brain. Like, no, if you want to be the greatest of all time, you got to be.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: When you really think about it, today is tomorrow.
[00:42:33] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly today.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: Yesterday's tomorrow.
[00:42:35] Speaker D: I need to be in the greatest of all time yesterday. Yeah, exactly. So he just, like, keeps that installed in me, I guess.
[00:42:45] Speaker A: Instilled.
[00:42:45] Speaker D: Instilled.
[00:42:46] Speaker A: I got you today. I forgot you.
[00:42:49] Speaker C: I went to Catholic school.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: I went to a private school, a private dance school.
This is the next album cover. It's just a microphone cord binding you all together.
[00:43:07] Speaker G: I. I mean, I've learned so much from Keone. I think we all have.
I think the biggest takeaway for me, though, is to just lead and navigate through life with love. And I think, like, you can see it in his work. He loves what he does, and it's very apparent.
And also, like, Keone is the most humble person I know. Like, he could very much, like, take all his colored feathers and flaunt them, but he doesn't.
And I think that's so great. I feel like in this industry, there.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: Are a lot of peacocks.
[00:43:43] Speaker G: A lot of peacocks. Cocky peacocks. And Keoni is not one of them. So I just. Yeah.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: I like that.
I like that. I'm here for that.
[00:43:54] Speaker D: I was at Club Jete the other day just bragging about.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: Just watches for fun. You just went to Jete to be like, I'm going to get the good word out about Keoni Madrid.
[00:44:02] Speaker D: And then, like, my friends were all there, and they were like, oh, my gosh, you work with Keon? I was like, yeah.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Oh, this Riz on the snore score.
That's two. No, she's just, like, not impressed with Keone. She's the only one in the room. It's like, oh, Keone Madrid. Big snooze.
[00:44:18] Speaker F: Yikes.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: Okay, we do eventually have to wrap this up, so I'm going to ask for maybe a favorite.
I was Gonna ask for a favorite. Oh, wait.
Dang.
With Riz, we've got eight.
I'm gonna ask for a favorite move that you have from a favorite. Keone slash Mari, because she did. She also choreographed for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, Favorite move. And then we're just gonna put them together into an eight count. And wrist roll is going to be one of the moves.
[00:44:52] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:44:52] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:44:53] Speaker E: Okay.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:44:54] Speaker F: I don't want to go first.
[00:44:54] Speaker G: I think I have one.
[00:44:56] Speaker A: Okay, just put it in your mind. You will have to demonstrate it.
Okay, so we're just gonna start at the end. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Last move is wrist roll. 8.
Go for it, James. Just one move per person? Yeah, just one count.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: One?
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Well, yeah, because we're trying to fit it into an eight.
[00:45:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:16] Speaker G: Oh, gosh.
[00:45:19] Speaker A: I know. I really should have put this in the email.
[00:45:21] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:45:23] Speaker F: Okay.
[00:45:23] Speaker G: This wasn't my original pick, but this choreo is from one of our music videos. This goes out to you, and it's like this move.
[00:45:32] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:45:34] Speaker G: Yeah, we had a little shoulders.
[00:45:35] Speaker A: Okay, so hands are clasped in front, lefty on top. This is kind of a Sasha boys move. Don't they have, like, a shoulder groove?
[00:45:42] Speaker G: They got a lot of shoulder movement.
[00:45:44] Speaker A: Okay. Okay, so left hand's on top. And talk us through it, james.
[00:45:49] Speaker G: Just go 1n.
[00:45:51] Speaker A: So right shoulder goes down first. Down, up. That's 1n.
And then what?
Oh, 1n. Okay, got it. Got it.
[00:45:57] Speaker D: Boom.
[00:45:58] Speaker A: Bah. That's 1n. Thank you, james.
Over to you, jagger. 1n.
[00:46:03] Speaker D: Oh, thank you. There's a move in m80 where we swing our arm back.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: Oh, that's gonna knock my bookshelf down.
[00:46:15] Speaker D: B.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: Show us, James.
[00:46:16] Speaker D: And two.
[00:46:17] Speaker E: Oh, wow.
[00:46:18] Speaker A: Jagger. Weird. That is was a choice one. And can we let it, like, stay real close to the head?
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:25] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:46:29] Speaker A: Oh, Dawson feels the connection.
[00:46:32] Speaker B: Another move in mad. You. You go like this.
You, like, come around the back.
[00:46:38] Speaker A: I don't remember that.
You know, so we have right shoulder down, up. Left arm throws back two, and then we right hand up and over three.
[00:46:50] Speaker C: Come on.
[00:46:51] Speaker F: Wait, I can go next. Okay, so after that, you want to hold love. Thank you.
So after we do this, I don't even know if this one will be out, but grab the pinky.
[00:47:01] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:47:02] Speaker F: Grab down.
[00:47:04] Speaker A: Keone Madrid.
[00:47:05] Speaker F: Right?
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Da. Now I am.
So you.
[00:47:10] Speaker F: You pull your pinky. Yeah, so.
[00:47:13] Speaker A: So pull up with all. With all fingers. Yeah.
[00:47:16] Speaker F: Then you with the pinky cup. Teacup.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: This I party. Yep.
[00:47:21] Speaker F: Promise. Pull it down.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: Cool. And then fists are side by side.
[00:47:25] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:47:26] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: Okay, we have D, D, 2, 3, E, and 4. 3 and a 4.
[00:47:35] Speaker C: You would.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: And you could.
[00:47:36] Speaker C: I would. Wow.
[00:47:37] Speaker G: Hold it.
[00:47:38] Speaker F: Yeah, yeah.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: What you got?
[00:47:40] Speaker E: Three E and A4.
[00:47:43] Speaker A: Sorry.
[00:47:44] Speaker E: Five and six.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: We're going.
[00:47:49] Speaker E: So we go three and A4, right? Yeah.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: All right.
[00:47:53] Speaker E: We got that.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:47:54] Speaker C: Sean.
[00:47:54] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:47:55] Speaker E: Five and six in five.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: Don't forget.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: And six in and six.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: Same. Okay. Same set.
There's a gray overall.
[00:48:06] Speaker D: Smooth.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: Keep going.
Oh, five. Wait, was three E and a four.
[00:48:19] Speaker C: E and oh, five then.
Wait. Right. So what's the count?
Okay, I'm not gonna pick a move for me.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Five. Yeah, because this was four, right? This was four.
[00:48:37] Speaker C: I'm gonna pick Amari. One.
[00:48:39] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:48:41] Speaker C: Let's do the one. Let's do.
She did a fan kick and a new one that we have that's yet unreleased.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: So then we'll fan.
[00:48:50] Speaker C: So then we'll fan. We'll hold these arms so we can release all.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: And five. Oh, no, I'm on the wrong count.
[00:48:57] Speaker C: If we want to get four.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: Well, the.
[00:48:59] Speaker D: The three fans in a row.
[00:49:03] Speaker C: Just the last one. Let's say the last.
[00:49:04] Speaker D: Last one.
[00:49:05] Speaker C: The last one into. Was it. Is it a long count? Into the hit.
It's really the. The kick after that.
[00:49:13] Speaker D: The one in the first chorus where we, like, swipe and then we go down.
[00:49:17] Speaker C: Oh, that one. Let's do that one. Select the scorpion.
[00:49:21] Speaker A: Yes, Mari, with the multiple fans, is it the outside fan or the inside fan? That's why I focus with you, Mari.
[00:49:26] Speaker D: Like this.
[00:49:26] Speaker C: You know what I mean? The scorpion.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Not a scorpion.
[00:49:30] Speaker D: This. Where.
[00:49:31] Speaker C: How does it go?
[00:49:32] Speaker D: Like, we just swipe over.
[00:49:34] Speaker E: Yes.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: Sickled inside fan.
[00:49:38] Speaker C: Inside sickle.
Wait.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: This way.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: Do it again.
[00:49:41] Speaker C: Do it again.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: Sickled inside fan.
[00:49:44] Speaker E: Do it. Do it.
[00:49:45] Speaker C: This one. Is it right?
[00:49:45] Speaker D: It's your left foot.
[00:49:46] Speaker C: Left?
[00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:47] Speaker C: What?
[00:49:48] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:49:48] Speaker C: After this.
Yes.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: This is my favorite episode of all time.
Yo. True story. In the opening number of Cats on Broadway. Like the. Like the original Cats on Broadway, original cast, vhs. There's an inside fan kick. And not. Not dissimilar to the one that you just beautifully demonstrated.
And I was doing that dance in my living room, and I hit the shit out of my shin on my coffee table. I thought. I thought maybe Tib Fib. Maybe was broken.
I wanted to throw up. It was. I was going Mach 3 coming around the corner. So sharp. It was so bad. When you did that fan just now, Jagger, I felt it. I remember the pain.
Okay, you guys, I need to go from the zap. 1 and 2, 3. E and a 4 e and a 5, 5, 6.
I think we need to start with both feet on the floor so that six. Four E and five, six, six.
[00:51:02] Speaker C: Or.
[00:51:03] Speaker D: Or.
[00:51:03] Speaker C: Or not.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: We don't need to.
Six.
That's you, Dana.
[00:51:07] Speaker E: And then now you're. Oh.
[00:51:10] Speaker A: What's your favorite Keenan move? Oh.
[00:51:12] Speaker C: Or any of the things that you've seen.
[00:51:14] Speaker A: Well, shit. My favorite shot in M80 is when it's a tracking shot and you're pulling James on the. On the. On the ground.
So how can we, like, skirt? Like, how can we, like, slide ourselves?
[00:51:29] Speaker C: What's one of the. Because you're, like, sliding, and you do it like a small gesture. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: Gesture, Gesture. Ooh, this is nice. Because then we're perfectly set for.
That's how I finish it.
[00:51:45] Speaker C: Nice.
Yes.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: And also, I think we have to move. Huh?
We gotta back up because you're sliding. Well, you're sliding down. Okay, we back up. One and two. Are we looking at two?
[00:52:01] Speaker E: Two.
[00:52:01] Speaker C: Yeah, release it. Right? Yeah, yeah.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: One and one and.
Shut up. Olly with the black sweater on.
Her breath definitely smells bad because she's been licking at this nasty one. And I need rehearsal. Two, three, E and a four E and a five. That six.
What's the timing on six, four, eight and a five.
[00:52:31] Speaker E: I like that.
[00:52:32] Speaker A: Four E and a five. Yeah. A six.
Five E. Is the left hand still on the hip? Seven.
And then I do kind of think we need to switch hands. 8. It should be our left hand wrist roll. That feels good. 5e and a 6e and a full.
[00:52:48] Speaker F: Yikes.
[00:52:49] Speaker A: Yikes.
Okay, I'm definitely sweating.
[00:52:53] Speaker C: All right.
[00:52:54] Speaker A: Okay. Who's gonna count us in? And what is the tempo? We've been kind of chilling on this. Beep, beep ba shiki taki da shiki tiki tiki tiki ta.
[00:53:08] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:53:10] Speaker A: 5E and a 6, 7, 8.
[00:53:19] Speaker C: Wait, wait.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: Talk it through one more time. Also, I was like. I was like, what's the first move?
[00:53:22] Speaker C: What's the first.
[00:53:23] Speaker A: First move is this.
5e and a 6e and a 7 and a 8 and 1, 2. Or 1 and 7 and 8 and 1.
Oh, no, no, no. Don't listen to me.
[00:53:39] Speaker C: I'm wrong.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: The listener. Viewer is like, get it together.
[00:53:42] Speaker D: We're going to tighten this up.
[00:53:43] Speaker A: I kind of love it.
Three E and four E and a five, a six, a seven.
Surprise.
[00:53:57] Speaker F: Eight.
[00:53:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:58] Speaker C: A seven.
[00:53:59] Speaker A: Okay, we got it. Five, six, seven. Silent eight and one. Rolly two, Shiki cocky. Four E and a five E and a six.
That is our full circle. Where does it move me? Hot eight.
Hot eight. Though I am so high. It's a high. And so now it is. It's time for our closing moment. Since we're all sweating. That was so much fun. I really like that. I hope listener, viewer likes that. Also.
My. My final question for you all is from each of you. So be prepared. You'll have a second to think about it. The words that move you, a guiding principle, a mantra, a quote. Your personal. Personal.
Your personal North Star. Right now.
[00:54:45] Speaker F: I'll start.
[00:54:45] Speaker A: Do it. Come on.
[00:54:46] Speaker C: Ready for it.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: Dawson?
[00:54:47] Speaker B: I think just as of lately in the world, be a peacemaker.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: It's surprisingly hard in times like these. It seems easier to make trouble than to make peace.
[00:55:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: So thank you for peacemaker.
[00:55:04] Speaker F: One thing, it ties back to what I was saying about Keone. But, like, one thing I've been really, like, telling myself or asking myself is like, am I creating? Because in the world, I feel like in the world of like, tick tock, it is so normal to just kind of copy other things and I just really like, I enjoy creating. So, like, I. Am I creating?
[00:55:27] Speaker A: Yeah, just check. Checking in.
[00:55:29] Speaker C: Just checking.
[00:55:29] Speaker A: Am I creating? Am I borrowing? Am I jumping on.
[00:55:32] Speaker F: Exactly.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: On the train or am I actually making something thing? Totally love this question.
[00:55:36] Speaker C: Good one.
[00:55:37] Speaker A: I also, I love when the words that move you aren't a statement but a question.
No, it's very helpful. It's valid. So valid.
[00:55:46] Speaker E: I don't really. I guess I'll just lay out the scenario because it's pretty cool.
I think right now, like, I try to keep as many door opens as possible and not give up on whatever you're working on. And I think that especially as we're working with a lot of music and we're writing a lot of music, sometimes it's difficult to collaborate with each other.
And I just want to say, like, this past week, Dawson and I were put in a session together, just the two of us.
And usually, usually when we write, we're on like the opposite ends of the room throwing stuff and we're still collaborating. But this past week we wrote a song together in complete conjunction and we were all good vibes. And it's really cool that, like, our collaboration has moved to that level and hopefully the song will see the light of day.
And yeah, it was.
[00:56:39] Speaker A: And even if it doesn't, it was a step towards your next one. Seeing the light of day. It was essential.
[00:56:44] Speaker E: Exactly. And it was really cool. And it was probably the most fun I've ever had in a session. And usually when I write, I'll bring an idea to the team. Usually it's pretty fully fledged at the point that I bring it up. But truly, with this song, there's no single part of the song, melody, or lyrically that one of us wrote individually and brought it forward. The whole thing was just straight flow felt, so the flow state was real.
[00:57:10] Speaker A: That's crazy. Thank you for sharing that, for letting us in on that.
[00:57:14] Speaker E: So I just say keep the vibes good and keep on collaborating, because you never know what's going to happen.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: That is super sweet. Thank you for that.
[00:57:22] Speaker G: Oh, I think mine as of late has been just keep swimming. Like, keep going.
[00:57:28] Speaker E: You got it.
[00:57:28] Speaker D: You got it.
[00:57:29] Speaker G: Just keep swimming.
[00:57:30] Speaker A: Yeah, just keep swimming or you sink. That's your option. Yeah, yeah.
[00:57:36] Speaker D: I have a couple flowing in my brain. I'm trying to pick one. I'm trying to figure out which one to go with.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: What one's front right now?
[00:57:43] Speaker D: The one that's front right now.
I don't even know if it. What it.
It's so dumb, but it's once in a lifetime until I say I want it twice.
[00:57:52] Speaker A: Ooh, once in a lifetime Until I say I want it twice. I'm not even gonna ask any questions.
[00:57:57] Speaker E: Yes.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: I think that actually kind of lends itself towards.
There's this. The flip side of FOMO is yolo, obviously. And I think, Keanu, you've talked a little bit about, we get this one life to say our art message or to get to practice making art. And is it art imitating life, or is it life imitating art? I'm a big advocate for living a full life, and I think my willingness to live a full life and try things and. No, thanks. And this, I think, it is. The reason why I make colorful work is because I like to live a life that has all of it. So yolo, no fomo.
I see it. I hear you. I hear you.
All right, Kimmy, what you got?
[00:58:43] Speaker C: I'm trying to. Not to. I'm trying to remember what I said last time. So hopefully it's not a repetitive one, but it might be similar.
But I always try to think about, how am I leaving the world for the next generation?
You know, just being a dad, it's just transformed everything, so especially a girl dad, you know, looking in her eyes all the time and, like, what's the world gonna be like when she's older?
And how can I best impact that? And how can I. And even for these guys now, it's like, Mari and I always joke about how we adopted five boys.
[00:59:22] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:59:22] Speaker A: You have 16 kids now.
[00:59:23] Speaker C: I know we got a van recently thinking that it was going to be good for like the filmmaking gear and all this stuff and transporting, but actually it's just been for the boys. Transporting the boys around, you know, transporting a boy band or around. But no, I think it's really like, I think a lot about the next generation now and even down to like how I take care of myself so that I can be capable to, to even like, do something for the next generation. And, and even next generation doesn't have to be like a whole generation because I've had a lot of conversations with like Gen Z and I'm trying to tap into like, what is it that makes them tick because it's so different the world they grew up in.
[01:00:07] Speaker E: Yes.
[01:00:08] Speaker C: And I'm just trying not to be that old, grumpy guy as much as.
[01:00:10] Speaker A: I, when I was your age, as.
[01:00:12] Speaker C: Much as I probably am with these guys sometimes. But yeah, anyways, that's a long winded way of saying, how do I leave the world for the next generation?
[01:00:21] Speaker A: Well, from where I'm sitting, definitely better than the way we found it.
[01:00:26] Speaker C: Trying to. It's. It's crazy times. Yes. And I think that dictates everything that we, we live and do in our actions and how we treat people. And it's so hard to like, there's two different realities we live. There's the one that we live on our phones and then there's one that we actually live outside of that. And it's hard to, to, to separate the two. You know, telling the boys, like, I saw a stat that is, it says 90% of the world just lurks on social media.
Small percent is really engaging, 9% engages, and 1% creates.
And that's actually crazy to think because sometimes the way you see the Internet working makes you feel like, oh, that's how the world is. But then when you go outside of it and you interact with people, like, actually it's not as bad as I thought it was. So I feel hopeful.
In those dark times that you see on the Internet, I remember, like, oh, there's still 90% that isn't participating.
[01:01:20] Speaker A: Totally.
[01:01:21] Speaker C: I don't know.
[01:01:21] Speaker A: That's huge. Thank you for that, Cher. Cause yeah, when you're looking at it this six inches from your face, it can feel like everyone, fill in the blank, hates this, loves that, disagrees with me, whatever, or agrees with me, or everyone's an influencer.
My brain could definitely offer me that. But you zoom out. Even A little bit. And nobody's an influencer. Like five people are in it. It is very disorienting percentage wise, when you're in it here versus when you zoom out and are in the world.
I guess that actually, I think another signature of your work and what I think you're doing with them so well, is putting humanness forward instead of a package, like a polished, shiny thing forward. It really feels very human.
And so I think you're doing this. Whatever it is that you're balancing as creative executive, I think you're doing it, man.
[01:02:19] Speaker C: Oh, thank you.
[01:02:20] Speaker A: I really do. And no, it can't be easy.
I know it's not easy. Even on, even on a weekly, almost weekly podcast format. It's very hard. Yeah, it's hard to make shit, y'.
[01:02:31] Speaker E: All.
[01:02:31] Speaker A: It is hard to make shit.
[01:02:33] Speaker C: And like the keywords of, like, engagement and content and algorithms and hooks in three seconds and in six seconds, in 15, all those benchmarks that everyone's aware of, it's so hard to parse. And we always kind of just go back to like, what's, what's speaking to us, what feels like us. And, and I think those are the things that will hook people. But at the end of the day, if people aren't hooked, that's okay. We don't have to live and die off of one piece of art. We can always continue to make, make more. And you know, I know the boys are always happy with, like, their latest song. I always feel that way. Like, what's the latest piece? We all feel that way. But I'm like, I spent a lot of time sitting here and hearing a bunch of flowers thrown my way, and I didn't have a chance to just say like, thank you for, for all of that. And it.
You could probably zoom in on my face when seeing me receive it. It's hard for me to receive it because I'm such a, like, head down person. I think it's part of how I was raised as a, as a Filipino, you know, Hawaiian guy. Just like keep it about the, the work and all this stuff. And I have a hard time receiving that. But I'm just grateful for them. I know we've actually recently had a pretty tough.
And was kind of just talking about, like, not feeling enough gratitude or appreciation for the day to day stuff. Not just for the big stuff, but for like the minutiae. Those are the tiny things, the details that can sometimes make or break. And I was challenging them, like, how are we achieving greatness in the small ways not just in the big ways, not in the stuff that, like the music videos and all of that, but like, how are you waking up today? Like, are you taking care of yourself? Are you getting ready for the next project? And. And they received the challenge and I saw it and I also told them, like, there are people on the team that are doing work for us. Like their text, just respond to them, reply to them, make them feel like they're being appreciated because then everyone will want to give you their. Their best, their best work.
And. And I, you know, just a long way away saying, I appreciate these boys. And it's very rare in this industry to see boys that are like this in terms of. Or artists like this that are willing to put in that kind of work, like with that dancer discipline and to tap into that. And that's why I believe in them. Yes, they make great music. Yes, they are great dancers. But their hearts are always what sing to me. And I can't wait for more people to get to sing to their art, their art and their heart and also be look up to people like this because I think the whole manufacturer part of the, like, you know, I worked a lot in the k pop world and I always imagined, like, oh, there's gotta be one day, like a boy band that will just like, reach out and just like, let their guard down, not wear makeup for one music video and just like, you know, be real for a little bit and let boys who feel that way feel seen or let girls, anyone feel that way and feel seen. So these boys, I believe in what they can do. And we just got to figure out these algorithms.
[01:05:33] Speaker A: Listener, viewer out there. Help us out. Go give some.
[01:05:36] Speaker C: Spread the word.
[01:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't think of a better place to end it on.
How can you do small things in a great way?
So thank you for making great work. Thank you for doing great things on small and large scales. And I'm so stoked to be a small part of yalls journey. I love you so much. Think the world of you.
Thank you for being here.
[01:05:57] Speaker C: Thank you. Thanks for having us.
[01:06:03] Speaker A: Oh, thank you, listener, viewer, also for being here. Subscribe. Click the bell for notifications. Look at me. Do the thing.
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