199. Marlee Hightower: Motives in Dance & Teaching

February 14, 2024 00:56:10
199. Marlee Hightower: Motives in Dance & Teaching
Words That Move Me with Dana Wilson
199. Marlee Hightower: Motives in Dance & Teaching

Feb 14 2024 | 00:56:10

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Dana Wilson hosts Marlee Hightower on the Words That Move Me Podcast this week! During her quick trip to LA, Marlee sat in the “hot seat” to talk about hip hop, social media, Motiv Dance, training/ teaching, and what she believes makes the mark of a good class! We also dig into the role of honesty and persistence and how her rebellion in dance has led her to where she is today.

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: And I'll be like, oh, my God. I need to be more mysterious. I need to be. [00:00:05] Speaker B: That was attractive to me, that candid, exposed, right. Everything laid out. Yeah. Thing. But also, I feel you on the. [00:00:13] Speaker A: I'm like, oh, my God, the mystery's gone. [00:00:20] Speaker B: The way I dive into the episode, the fucking awareness I. That it was so funny. Oh, shit. It's hard to, y'all. It's hard to start a podcast. I'm going to be real. Today is one of those days where it's hard to start the podcast. I'm Dana. This is words that move me. Thank you so much for being here. I'm thrilled about this episode because today I get to get to know someone better, someone I admire and have had my eye on for a very long time. Miss Marley Hightower. She is a gift to dance and an example of what is possible for women, specifically in hip hop. And I simply adore this person. I'm so excited to share this conversation. But first, we do wins. We celebrate wins on this podcast. Big, small, and everything in between. Today, I'm celebrating a fairly large win, and I can't believe I haven't shouted this out on the podcast earlier. The Seaweed sisters, which consists of myself and my two best friends, Jillian Myers and Megan Lawson. My dog just got jealous when she wasn't listed among my best friends. Come on up. Come on. Here she is. Riz is an honorary seaweed sister. We are celebrating three sold out nights of shows at Congress downtown LA. I love Julian Myers and Megan Lawson. Zach and Dina, thank you for hosting such an incredible night of dance. Man, being a part of a night like that feels incredible. And being a part of something as special as the seaweed sisters, I just pinch myself every day, so that is what I'm celebrating. Oh, we will link to seaweed sister episode as well. Duh. Past guests. Oh, so good. That's me, and this is Riz. And that's what's going well in my world. How you go celebrate your wins. Say it out loud. It really is important to me that you say it out loud so that the people in the back can hear. Congratulations. We're so glad that you're winning. This is the best news ever. Yay. I do voices when I have a dog on the podcast. Sorry about that. I really am glad that you're winning, though, and I know that you are. It might not be the big, big win that you have planned out there in the future, but every little thing gets you closer to it. So congratulations and keep on winning. Now, let's do this, shall we? Marlee Hightower. Such an exceptional woman, a phenomenal talent, a very eloquent speaker, and an inspiring person. Period. The end. I'm so excited to introduce you to, and I hope that you enjoy the one and only Marley Hightower. Oh, that's gonna make sense in a second. Marley. What am I doing? Feel. Goal. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Feel. Goal. You really did it. You're in town for, like, two days. Yeah, two days. Thank you for carving time out for the podcast. Welcome, welcome. I'm so glad to have you. [00:03:36] Speaker A: I'm so happy to be here. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Oh, man, this is exciting. Okay, tradition. On the podcast, we always start with the guests introducing themselves. Take it away. Okay. What do you want us to know about you? [00:03:47] Speaker A: Well, my name is Marley Hightower. I'm 24 years old. Freshly 24. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Nice. [00:03:53] Speaker A: Happy birthday. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:03:54] Speaker A: You're welcome. I'm a dancer choreographer based in Orlando, Florida. I own a dance studio called Motive Dance. [00:04:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:04] Speaker A: We're an all hip hop based studio. I've been teaching there. We've been open for about eight years now. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Holy smokes. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been a while. [00:04:11] Speaker B: You are 24 and you've owned a studio for eight years? [00:04:14] Speaker A: Yes. It was my dad's idea to start the space, and so then we just kind of ran into it. So I've come into myself as a woman and as an owner because initially it was just like I was along for the ride. So as I've gotten older, you've found your footing? Yeah, my voice within it, but, yeah, I've been dancing professionally since I was about seven years old, and I just haven't stopped. [00:04:40] Speaker B: I love not stopping. We'll start with not stopping. Let's start with stopping. [00:04:44] Speaker A: That's actually really good. [00:04:45] Speaker B: It's a good place. It's a very good place to really. I was never the best at the beginning. I don't think I'm the best now. I'm very good at being me. I'm actually. I'm probably the best Dana Wilson you've met. Sorry, others. Oh, man. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Sorry, Dana. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Well, I'm the best me that I have been yet. Because thanks to the podcast, know, loving dance and loving learning to dance, I have this thing with progress and I just love self improvement. And in the podcast, I get this front row seat of learning. And when you do something like start a project that is a dance studio, you also have a front row seat to learning. Because I say this all the time, but every time you teach something is an opportunity for you to learn. It deeper yourself. So I think a lot of the greatest teachers that I know are also, like, front row learners. They're lifelong learners. [00:05:37] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Get it, Riz. Yeah, she's getting at the tail. Wow, that was quite the side bend. [00:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah, she's flexible. [00:05:45] Speaker B: Okay, so back to longevity and the idea of not. Yes, yes. What are the thoughts? What are the things? Because surely in eight years of running a studio, you've run into moments where you may be less motivated to keep totaling, less inspired. So when you find yourself up against a wall or a hurdle or the uphill moment, what is it that keeps you going? [00:06:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great question. And I think my mindset when it comes to this, to just keeping at it, applies to everything in dance or just, like, life in general. [00:06:18] Speaker B: Yeah, lessons are life lessons. Totally. [00:06:21] Speaker A: But I think that I'm very similar to what you said in the sense of there's something about just improving and getting better that I really enjoy. So when it comes to pursuing motive, the studio, and just working on making it better, that's fulfilling. So even in the moments of just like, oh, my God, this is hard, should I be doing it? Should I not? Where do I take it? But then it's like the idea of sitting down with myself and seeing, how can this be better? That's nice. [00:06:50] Speaker B: Right? [00:06:50] Speaker A: And then when people talk about even burnout or things like that, it's not necessarily that I'm not tired. I'm tired all the time, but I think my want to be better is so much greater. [00:07:05] Speaker B: Right. And this thought that you shouldn't be tired is the only reason why being tired sucks. If you think that. No. Oh, I'm doing something really important and really hard. Tired is part of it. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Okay. And so what versus, like, I should be able to keep. It's that, like, totally argument with yourself that makes it. It's like adding insult to injury. It will be hard, but if you think it should be easy, then it's going to be extra hard. Yeah. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Speaking of hard, I go by this all the time, but choosing your hard. [00:07:37] Speaker B: Okay. What's the hard that you choose? [00:07:40] Speaker A: I guess, like, everything you do in life is going to be hard, so it's just a matter of what kind of heart you want to experience. Okay. So for me, I think that whenever I'm experiencing moments that are not my favorite, they're uncomfortable responsibilities that are not my favorite, I have to sit with myself and recognize, like, I like this life. [00:08:04] Speaker B: I actually chose this. [00:08:05] Speaker A: I chose this, and I would choose this over something that is unfulfilling, and that's hard, too. So choosing my heart is also what keeps me going. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Nice. Okay. I love that. That's what keeps you going. What was it that started you, like, how did you meet dance? How did that all play out? [00:08:24] Speaker A: I met dance when I was three. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Were you like, you got. I was a baby. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:33] Speaker B: Your mom was like, this is a good extracurricular. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Yes, for sure. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Maybe not thinking, like, this will be the career forever. Totally. Yeah. [00:08:41] Speaker A: My parents, they're both artists, and they were very much adamant about whatever they saw that I maybe had a knack for early on. [00:08:48] Speaker B: They were like, let's lean in. Go do it. [00:08:51] Speaker A: And so I think that was the first thing they would see me dancing around a lot as a really little baby. So they were like, yeah, let's try this. [00:08:58] Speaker B: That's awesome. Yeah. [00:08:59] Speaker A: And they've been just really supportive throughout my entire journey, and there's even different art forms that I've been interested and wanted to pursue, and they've been behind me in that as well, but I think dance just has always taken precedent. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Cool. Yeah. And I know that you've had a special relationship with a teacher early on. Like, you had a mentor or a teacher person, a figure in your life that made you feel like, oh, I have a path. I can do this. Has that informed, the way that you lead? Did that at all play into your decision to. It's. [00:09:37] Speaker A: It's. So when I was about seven years old, that's when I joined my first hip hop team in Orlando. Her name was julie Johnson, and so she was who taught me all the fundamentals. She introduced me to hip hop and all that it is. [00:09:53] Speaker B: Thanks, julie Johnson. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Thanks, julie Johnson. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:56] Speaker A: And I think know it wasn't exactly her mentorship that made me want to step into that role, but I will say in doing this type of thing in leading young people, it's actually brought me back to that time period, and so it's given me a lot of empathy for her and her experience. And also recognizing how much of an impact she had on my world also shows me, oh, I am in that same position. So the young people that I'm teaching and giving that to, they're having my thing. That's an interesting experience. [00:10:38] Speaker B: Being around long enough for tables to turn to be on the other side of these big moments is like, it's such a wild thing. [00:10:47] Speaker A: So wild. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Happening to me a lot right now. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Is it? [00:10:50] Speaker B: Because, yes, I'm a few years ahead of you, decade plus, and I'm having. I talked about it on instagram recently, but I had a really profound moment in class. I've been kind of back in class. I've always loved class, but I have time right now and I am protecting time. I've always had time, but I've never protected it quite like I am right now. I love being in class. Maybe it's just like post pandemic being around people and there's a particular community of people teaching and training right now that I really have an appetite for. Nice. So I found myself in class getting schooled, first of all, feeling. I mean, I always feel old because my knees hurt, but I was looking around at some very young faces wondering, like, oh, I must be twice the age of some of these. Never have I felt, like twice as old. I always felt older right in dance class, but I was like, wow, okay, so that's what's happening. And it reminded me of when I was 18 and freshly moved to LA and would take class. And some of the ogs are like, people who were always stayed on tour or always were in music videos. And when those people came to take class, I would get wildly inspired and nervous about that. Right. And I think now I'm that person. Yeah. Who is totally. And what's crazy is that I also still felt inspired and nervous. I was like, oh, my God, they're really good, these young people. They're coming up and I'm feeling, okay, so we're doing it for each other, right? At all times, just from different dots on the map. And I think this is why I love dance. Because human beings and our relationships to each other and the way that we fill cups and pour into each other, it's that exchange that really is the most interesting part of it to me. [00:12:46] Speaker A: How cool is that? It's like you getting to a certain place also in your career and in your life, separate from your career. It also shows you're not exempt from those uncomfortable feelings. [00:13:01] Speaker B: At any point in your wildly successful career, you can feel illegitimate and threatened and insecure and like an imposter. [00:13:09] Speaker A: Right. [00:13:11] Speaker B: No amount of accomplishments or credits make you impenetrable to those feelings. As a human being, you can and will feel all of them at any point. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. [00:13:23] Speaker A: No, totally. [00:13:23] Speaker B: I'm a big fan of feeling feelings. I love feeling feelings. I love feeling feelings. Okay, what's your favorite feeling to feel? Whoa. I know. Whoa. That wasn't even on my list of things to ask you. But now I feel like I must know. Yeah. [00:13:36] Speaker A: That's a really good question. The first initial thing that came to my head, and this might sound a little strange, is I think that melancholy is really beautiful. [00:13:49] Speaker B: Wow. Have you seen the movie Melancholia? [00:13:54] Speaker A: No, I haven't. That's actually on my list. [00:13:57] Speaker B: Okay. Get ready to never look at the Moon the same way again, ever. Okay. I don't know. For people who love that movie, you might be shocked that that's what I said about it. It's a wild ride. Okay. And it does feel melancholic, actually, to watch it. It's kind of long. It's kind of drawn out, really. What is going on back there? She's just exploring the house as if she's never been here. It is gorgeous. It is tragic. It is heavy. It is kind of isolating. I watched it with someone, and I felt like I watched it alone. It has a way of really calling you out, and I hope that you love it. And also, it's gorgeous. Did I mention that it's gorgeous? Yeah. Let me know what you think of it. Okay, I will. That's a surprising answer. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I just always am drawn to things that have that tone, whether it be movies or music or art. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Okay. But would you say that your movement also reflects that tone? Because I would not say that. I would not say that. [00:15:07] Speaker A: I wouldn't say that at all. And that's funny that you say that, because I feel like I did used to dance from a more melancholic place, maybe when I was a little bit younger. But now when I dance, it is very joyous and celebratory. But I will say that I feel like there's something under that that's like, that celebration is also due to the fact that this world is so big and scary and all of those big, maybe uncomfortable emotions exist. So the fact that I can move through that is also why I'm smiling so much. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk about it. I talk about this in my class a lot. I call my class jazz plus. By the way, I don't know if we picked up on that. By the way, we met for the first time this past summer in Canada teaching together at Elite danceworks. Shout out, Don. You really bring them together. Just. Thank you. Love you. And I knew also, because I love class, whenever I'm teaching at summer intensives, I try to take as much as I can. I knew I had to take your class. And I complimented Don on having a hip hop teacher, like a person who teaches hip hop versus a person who teaches choreography to hip hop music or rap, and I was just, like, so rocked. It had been a really long time since I took a hip hop class versus a choreo class, so it was really, really excited. Yeah. Where was I going without? Where was I going? Where was I going? [00:16:39] Speaker A: Celebratory. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Okay, great. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:16:42] Speaker A: Boom. [00:16:43] Speaker B: I call my class jazz. Plus, I have in the past, taught what we called hip hop, and the year 2020 brought a hard close to that for me. Boom. Because I became blatantly and uncomfortably aware of the fact that a white person from the suburbs of Colorado who doesn't eat, sleep, live, breathe the culture, who is absolutely a guest, a warmly welcomed guest. Heck, yeah. But not a person who eats, sleeps, lives, breathes it. And so I started passing on any opportunity given to me to teach hip hop and putting other people forward who I do think eat, sleep, breathe, live the culture. Yeah. That always felt great, finding a new way to explain myself. And my class usually starts with a conversation about what is jazz. Jazz also is undeniably a black art form. The music and the dance, totally created by black people, brought to America hundreds and hundreds of years ago. And then I always have a conversation that's like, what is jazz? We talk about who created jazz, but we also talk about what it is. And we talk about jazz through the lens of. Look at you. That's great. You got a toy? We talk about jazz through the lens of the people who created it. Instead of saying jazz is a dance that blah, blah, blah, we say, jazz is resilient, jazz is strong. Jazz is brave. Jazz is hopeful. Jazz is rooted. Jazz is communal. Jazz is human. Jazz is persistent. And I think the people who created it are. Therefore, it is. And what you are underlying right now is that. So is hip hop. Yeah, totally. Is resilient. It is strong. [00:18:36] Speaker A: It is brave. [00:18:37] Speaker B: It is hard. It is heavy. It is light. It is all of those many wonderful things. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:46] Speaker B: But the one that I think is most important is that if it is brave or hopeful or bright, it is. What is it? The light. I was like, maybe it's a sunflower. Yeah. Are you just seeing that? Oh, tiny. She's so threatened. Yeah. Riz, I'm about to make a really good. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Yes. [00:19:17] Speaker B: Focus. If it is brave or strong or resilient, that implies an adversary, that implies a force against it. Like, you don't just bravely play a game of solitaire. You bravely go into battle. You bravely face an enemy or a foe. It suggests that there is a force in the opposite direction. Totally. Yes. Is part of the culture, like, springing up through the crack in the asphalt, a little tiny sapling. It's like the thing that we celebrate is a. The fact that it exists, the fact that it still exists, and that is changing and evolving all the time, thanks to people like you. I think that is something well, worthy of celebrating. But underneath that there is. [00:20:11] Speaker A: Yeah, it's rebellion. Rebellion, yeah. [00:20:15] Speaker B: Struggle, adversity. Totally. [00:20:19] Speaker A: And that's how, like, I think that when I recognize that. [00:20:25] Speaker B: That's thin. Yeah. I apologize. [00:20:31] Speaker A: No, you're good. But, yeah, I think when I recognized that, because I think in my teens, I was pulling away from hip hop especially, that's just what I came up in. That's what my parents listened to. That was my life. So I leaned more into alternative punk stuff. But then when I realized, oh, hip hop is so punk. It is so punk. And when I embraced that and came back to that, I found, like, a new love for hip hop as well. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Question about this rebellion of yours. Yeah. Did it have to do with wanting to be different than your parents, different than your upbringing? I'm sure at that time it was like, I want to be me. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Maybe only now, in retrospect, would you think, oh, that was me opposed to them, or that was me trying to find me? [00:21:28] Speaker A: You know, I wouldn't necessarily say it was me trying to be different from them, because my parents were also just as interested in a lot of alternative stuff as well. [00:21:39] Speaker B: Folks, they're super cool. Whoa. [00:21:40] Speaker A: Yeah, they're super cool people. To be honest with you, I think it came a lot from just, like, me being an angsty teenager and just grappling with all those big emotions for the first time. But even within that, my parents were the ones who put me on to all of the things that fed me at that time. So all the weird movies, like, we would sit down and watch. My mom loved the cure. Like the Smiths. Yeah, everything. So they helped me through that time as well. I think it was just because neo soul and r and b and hip hop was my norm for so long, but it really wasn't me leaning away from them. I would say they helped me through all the phases. [00:22:22] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah, my mom and I were close, really close during my. Those years when most people are rebelling, like 15 through 18. Really close, like best friend close. [00:22:37] Speaker A: Nice. [00:22:38] Speaker B: And I didn't have my rebellion against my mom until I was, like, 23 or 25. And anything she would say would annoy me. Every question she asked, I was like, mom, really? [00:22:52] Speaker A: Just no. [00:22:53] Speaker B: And I was like, oh, is this what they were? Because I really thought I was like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to have that. Because look how tight we are. [00:23:00] Speaker A: I did have that, but it was. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Only because she reminded me with those questions of how little I knew. I was only annoyed with her if I didn't know the answer to the question. And I was just thinking that I should, or that I should have a better way to say it. The parental relationship thing is fascinating to me, and I am really lucky and glad to hear that you had folks who leaned towards or encouraged you with dance. Yeah, I think my mom did well, for sure. She did financially and technically dropped me off at the studio and picked me up and all the things, but she had a hard time with me choosing this. Life was really nervous that I wouldn't make it. And, yeah, I think she's okay now. Yeah. I don't know at what moment that turned for her. Right. I don't know if it was like, first tour or like, I have a house now, or. [00:23:54] Speaker A: I don't know what it was. Okay. [00:23:56] Speaker B: She'll be fine. [00:23:56] Speaker A: You're fine. [00:23:58] Speaker B: Okay. So family support, learning, leaning in and leaning away from whatever that. [00:24:05] Speaker A: You know what I will say, though, when you're saying was the act of rebellion from maybe you leaning away from your parents. When I was thinking about it just now, it was kind of me leaning away from what I knew. Dance. [00:24:19] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:24:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:20] Speaker B: The dance parent. Yeah. [00:24:23] Speaker A: For me, I had done dance for so long, and specifically, I'd done hip hop, or at least the version of hip hop that was happening at that time, mainly choreo. And I was actually very much leaning away from that for a long period of time. I just wasn't inspired by it. But it was all I knew. So I would dance and then I would come home and want nothing to do with dance. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Interesting. Yes. Okay. Also, yes. I think my experience of dance was sprinkled a lot with pop culture. And so the opposite of punk, the opposite of counterculture, totally, is where I wanted to go. Really was interested in music videos, trl, like pop stars. That was really it for me. But there also came a time for me where I was. Gross. Yeah, not cool. Yeah. It's like you just have too much of a thing. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:25:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Me and black olives had that once. Oh, yeah. I was like, black olive till I would put them on all my fingers. I love them. And then there was a night where I think I had, like, probably a whole can of those, and that was the end of those. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Makes sense. [00:25:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm coming back around, though, and I'm glad you've come back around to hip hop. Totally. Okay. If you would say that you are having a leaning in towards or a rebellion away from anything right now in your life, what would it be? [00:25:52] Speaker A: That's a great question. Every question you have to ask you. [00:25:56] Speaker B: In ten years so that you can answer for this moment. It's hard to tell when you're in. [00:25:59] Speaker A: It, but, yeah, I mean, I think, what am I leaning away from at the moment? I think as I'm traveling a lot more, I'm doing all the things that I've kind of always dreamed of doing. Now I'm starting to recognize how much I love a sense of routine and how my work actually is not set up for that. So finding that balance, leaning into the work that I'm doing, but also really prioritizing my need for consistency. Yeah. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Okay. Where do you find it? Or have you found any little ways to honor yourself and your schedule even while you're out there on the road? [00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I think fitness working out consistently. So even if I'm out of town, finding a way to get something in in the mornings, bringing food that I like or bringing my own snacks. Bringing a water bottle. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:26:59] Speaker A: The emotional support water bottle is super real. [00:27:01] Speaker B: It's so real. I leave them behind. [00:27:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Even my most cherished ones will be left behind. Totally. I'm on my fifth one of the year. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I just got a new one. [00:27:10] Speaker B: It's December, but yeah, one of mine is safety orange. It's like fluorescent orange. And, yes, left it. Yeah. [00:27:18] Speaker A: Fantastic. And then when I get home, kind of going straight into what my routine would be, which is like, do you. [00:27:25] Speaker B: Have a wind down routine? [00:27:26] Speaker A: Do I have a wind down routine? No, not really. I have my candle set up, my lighting set up, but I should actually develop a more consistent nighttime routine. [00:27:38] Speaker B: I would like to renovate my nighttime routine because currently, right now, right now, it's end of 2023. I am feeling glass of wine and couch and movie at like 06:00 p.m. When I tell you that's my summer self. 06:00 p.m. I'm starting a new project. The day will just work until midnight. 530 sun is going down, and I'm like, that's it. It's time. Cozy. Settle in. It's been very hard for me. Yeah. I would like to rewrite my current nighttime routine to be a little bit more mindful. Right now. I'm definitely turning off. Like, I'm powering down at six. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah, makes sense. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Okay, let's jump back a little bit to you being traveling and you being moving around a lot, which is something you've wanted for yourself and now you are having for yourself. Is there something that you have noticed about? We'll keep it dance centric, but dancers and humans are the same thing. Totally. Is there anything that you've noticed about people in different places that you feel confident in reporting? The dancers in Toronto are like, blah or the dancers in Los Angeles are blah. We shouldn't make monoliths, all of the people. But you do wind up. When you get to move around a lot, you can feel palpable, actual differences for sure, in these little hubs. And I'm so curious what you noticed. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I think the first time I ever taught in Brazil, I think that was, like, the most energy I'd experienced. Yeah, they're so grateful and they're so kind, and I think that I'd never received that much love, especially because when I taught in Brazil. I taught in Brazil last year at this really big. It's like their biggest event of the year. [00:29:30] Speaker B: It's like lala Palooza. Totally. Yeah. It's a concert. Yeah. [00:29:36] Speaker A: And the classes, they had this thing called a super workshop, and so the class had like 200, 300 people and it was insane. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Big gymnasium or something like that. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it was nuts. I would say they're probably the most kind. Loving, giving when it comes to energy. I spent the month traveling all over Europe, and so I got to experience some different vibes over there. My favorite place to dance was probably Amsterdam. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Nice. [00:30:09] Speaker A: I really love the dancers over there. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Nice. [00:30:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I love Amsterdam, but I'm still getting a know. I know the states and the difference now between places. I think people in other countries are a lot more grateful because they don't access to as much as we do. And that's nice to experience and also gives me a lot more perspective. [00:30:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I asked Alexander Chung. I just talked to him yesterday, asked him, what is the mark of a great class and what is the mark of a bad. Like, have you ever walked out of a room and been like, woof, that was not it. Or the opposite, like leaving high as a kite? Because I have definitely felt both. And I'm curious to hear what your definitions are of each. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm always observing in classes, and I do love taking class, but as time has progressed, I've become more and more picky about the classes that I do take and I think a good teacher or even a good class, I love someone who's able to articulate what's going on, and I think that that's harder than some may think. And also, let's say that's not something that you're interested in. I think that a good teacher also is aware of how to just pace a class and create an atmosphere, and they're very much so in charge of that atmosphere. I think that what I don't like in a class is a teacher who's completely reliant on the classroom. And they're like, come on, guys, why aren't you? And I'm like, why aren't you? You're the one who's actually setting this up for us. You have to gauge where we're at, our level in order to see what you need to provide. So I think that bad classes are the teachers who maybe just don't have enough empathy in these situations. And I think a good class is just one that I feel fully engaged the whole time. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. And I think that actually, if I will toot your own horn for you, that that is something you did really well, was like, check the temperature of the room, gauge, where are they at? Meet where they were. And you had this really lovely combination of being accessible while still holding some authority. It didn't feel like, oh, my friend Marley, we can be off on the side chatting. Like, you really held a position of leadership where the room was looking to you. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Right. [00:32:55] Speaker B: But it was with humility. It wasn't with a kind of let me talk at you thing. It was like, let's talk about this together. Yeah. And those are my favorite classes. Those that feel more like discussion than seminar. Yeah. Because especially now, in my later years, I can really tune out. Totally feel like I'm being talked at this engagement thing. That takes two. Yeah. So there's a respect for the student when I say, what do you guys think? Or, how do you guys feel about this? And one thing I really wish I had more from almost all of my classes is feedback from the room. There are very few classes I've taught where I'm like, guys, stop. Stop. Too much. Too much. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Right. [00:33:41] Speaker B: I don't know. I have become a really vocal class taker, and I think there's part of me that assumes everybody is more like me than they are. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Right. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Especially at elite dance works because they are so well trained, quiet. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I really want to know what you think. It sometimes can be hard for me to read that room. Right. But they're getting really good about giving nonverbal feedback, but totally. I'm always wanting more discussion. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I get that, too. I get that, too. One thing I always tell a room, like, if I feel like it's on the quieter side, is I'll be like, okay, imagine it's just you and me. It's you and me. [00:34:25] Speaker B: Were this quiet, this would be strange. That'd be awkward. [00:34:28] Speaker A: This would be really weird. And I say that. I'd be like, that would be a weird thing. And I think that that also allows them to be like, oh, yeah, you're a person talking, and I'm a person. Oh. I think I can definitely lose myself in a class or rely on other people in the class to do the work for me. And I forget that I'm in charge of that as well. [00:34:51] Speaker B: 100%. [00:34:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:53] Speaker B: Responsible class taker. Totally. And responsible class leader. Thank you for that. That's huge. Thank you. Okay, maybe you can give me some insight on this next topic that I am dying to know. Okay. I want to talk about social media, because I think you have a way of engaging really honestly and plainly with, like, I'm talking about your stories specifically. You are talking to me, and I know you're not talking to me. I know you weren't like, dana's gonna love this. [00:35:23] Speaker A: This is for you. [00:35:24] Speaker B: This is for Dana. But I feel really. I feel like it's really personal. But I also know that you're talking to thousands of people. Or are you. When you pick your phone up and start talking to it, are you talking to one person? Are you talking to yourself? Are you talking to the world? What is going on in there? [00:35:40] Speaker A: Oh, that's really good. That's really good. [00:35:43] Speaker B: I have to know, because I was like, wow, she's very good at this. [00:35:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I'm talking to myself a lot of the times, but I'm also like, it's. It's me sorting through a lot of things. [00:36:00] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Processing, rehearsing, processing. Sometimes I may have a thought, and I'll be like, okay, I'm going to share this one. And I get insight from people as well, but a lot of it has to do with my just general concerns. [00:36:14] Speaker B: I see. So you're like, okay, is it just me, or is blah, blah, blah? [00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah, very much that. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Okay, nice. So using it as a sounding board. Very much a sounding like a telephone. [00:36:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that also, because I kind of sometimes have a hard time with that, because sometimes I'll be super candid and I'll feel very vulnerable within that, and I'll be like, oh, my God, I need to be more mysterious. I need to be. [00:36:40] Speaker B: That was attractive to me, that candid, exposed, right. Everything laid out thing. But also, I feel you on the mystery. [00:36:49] Speaker A: I'm like, oh, my God, the mystery is gone. But then I'll tell myself, and this is how I use social media. This is what I think every time if I'm ever in my head about anything, is I try to just be what I wish I had or what I would love to see from others, which is more vulnerability. [00:37:12] Speaker B: That's a great rubric for yourself. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So if I'm ever like, oh, no, this needs to be way more just cool and mysterious, and you don't get access to me in this way. I would think to myself, like, I wouldn't want to experience everyone like that. [00:37:28] Speaker B: I wish I had the opposite of that. Yeah. So being what you wish you had, totally. How you show up to your social media. Totally. That makes a ton of sense. I am also going to borrow that. Thank you. [00:37:38] Speaker A: Boom. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Some golden nuggets from you today, my friend. Oh, thanks. Okay, let's see what's next. Whoa. Are you ready to move on to a rapid fire question moment? [00:37:47] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. Are you sure? [00:37:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm actually super ready. [00:37:51] Speaker B: I call this moment wrist roll with it. You have to go fast. Just roll. I know. Do you love to lock? You know, that's not on the rapid fire question. [00:38:02] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I actually love locking. I want to get into it a lot more. I just love the music. Like, I just love funk. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Give me. [00:38:12] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:38:13] Speaker B: Give me joy. The joy, the joy. And also. Okay, here, we're going to go there. I had Susan Morales on the podcast recently. She's been teaching locking. She's the only woman that has a consistent locking slot in Los Angeles in a very long time, certainly right now. But I've been taking her class a lot. Really love the way she leaves a room and love the way that she dances. And she came and took my class once. We were talking about funk, and I asked, what is funk? To the room again, I love discussion. I was like, what is funk? And everybody answers. And Zusay's answer was, it's different for everyone, and it's different all the time. Funk might be hot or it might be cold. It might be sexy or it might be funny. It might be heavy or it might be light. And this brought me back to one of my favorite quotes about funk, which is George Clinton of Parliament P funk, funk, delic. All the source of. Yeah, yeah. And, oh, deep sleep after all that terrible. Anyways, George Clinton says that funk is whatever you need it to be in order to survive. Oh, yo, it's the caboose. It's the survival. Oh, yeah. Yeah. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Because I was already there, and then you got me. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Not whatever you need it to be, period. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Totally. [00:39:43] Speaker B: The stakes are high. The alternate is death. Yeah. Now we're talking about adversity. Now we're talking about perseverance and struggle and when locking was were. This is Vietnam war era. Yeah. This is the time of the draft. That's like, while people are being drafted, while birthdays are being called on the nightly news, Don Campbellock is in a club giving himself a high five. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Right. [00:40:09] Speaker B: My soul lights on. No. Totally obsessed with this. Totally. It's the greatest thing that I can think of. I really, really love it. And yes, it is for me, especially the joy. I can't do it without laughing. Not laughing, smiling. [00:40:20] Speaker A: Sometimes I. [00:40:23] Speaker B: The more I think about it and the more comfortable I get with the dance, the more it does include mystery, vulnerability, the idea of sexy. This is Tony Basil's biggest gripe about locking right now is that nobody's sexy with it. She doesn't like it when it gets too goofy or too hokey or too dimensional, fast or too undigestible. She'd be sexy. So I love that. [00:40:49] Speaker A: This is one of my biggest inspirations right now. Do you know Lady C? [00:40:54] Speaker B: Yeah, canadian, right? Canadian. Okay. Yes. I had the pleasure of being on a judging panel with her long, long ago. Yeah, big fan. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Big fan. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Huge fan. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Great. I think she's super great. [00:41:09] Speaker B: 100% be having her on the podcast. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:41:11] Speaker B: This is what happens when I have a podcast. Every time I do one, I have to do five more. Right. Because these conversations come up and I'm like, oh, my God, yes. I want to talk to them. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Yeah, she's incredible. [00:41:20] Speaker B: Fantastic. Yeah. Before we get into back into wrist roll with it, is there another style that you want to lean into more of something that's spoken to you but you haven't gotten your claws into? [00:41:32] Speaker A: Okay. So I love house a lot. I think that I implement house a good amount in my work, but something that I feel like I haven't really touched truly and would love to is breaking. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Nice. [00:41:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I've even been implementing some top rock here and there just because I'm super, super inspired at the moment by it all. But it's just such a physical dance style, and I like that, too. [00:42:03] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. I always say strength is not my strength. Oh, yeah. I think I would genuinely hurt myself if I. Oh, for sure. Well, I mean, the whole training part prepares you for the work that you're going to be doing, but I think the stuff that I would want to do, I am physically, in this version, incapable of doing. But I am rooting for you. I want to see that happen for you. Very excited, for sure. [00:42:28] Speaker A: It's a big reason why I started just on this fitness journey this past year. It's just I want to be stronger. So when comes time to just implement these things, I feel more equipped. [00:42:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Same as my peloton sits over there idle. I hear that. I echo that. I've had ebbs and flows of fitness journey, but I've always been focused on cardio. The year of my life that I felt the best was the year that I was strength training. Like, felt freaking strong. Yes. I would love to return to. Also, I want to return to. I've only ever taken really small bites of social dances. I want to be salsa dancing. I want to be tango dancing, I want to be zook ing. I want to be Lindy ing and west coast swinging, and I want to be dancing with people. Yeah. I think growing up as studio kid, my experience of dance was pretty. It was communal because I'm taking class with other people, but my experience of dance was in my body that was led by my brain. And I think I'm ready to listen to someone else's lead and experience dance a little bit more as a passenger than the person who's driving all the time. [00:43:48] Speaker A: Totally. [00:43:48] Speaker B: I'm excited about that. I know you didn't ask, but I. [00:43:51] Speaker A: Have no, that's really cool, too. [00:43:55] Speaker B: We're back. [00:43:55] Speaker A: Are you ready? [00:43:56] Speaker B: Yes. I want to know about a dance move that you would delete forever. Like, a move that you're like, nah, I'm good on that. Never again delete. [00:44:04] Speaker A: That's a big ask. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Okay. [00:44:07] Speaker A: And this is rapid. [00:44:08] Speaker B: So much about people by the way. [00:44:09] Speaker A: They respond, and this is rapid fire. Okay. The first thing that came into my mind, I don't know if there's a word for it. [00:44:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:44:19] Speaker A: So I'm going to try to explain as best I can for just the audio listeners, but whatever this thing is where you grab and you bring it in or you push and you slide. I don't know. [00:44:37] Speaker B: Boom, that one. Boom. [00:44:40] Speaker A: And I think you can actually do it in a way that has intention. Like, you can make it look super cool. And that's why I'm like, this is a big ask because you could do any move that's kind of silly or maybe overused, but if you remix it, it would be great. But I think approaching it in the very non. You know what? [00:44:55] Speaker B: Tell me. [00:44:56] Speaker A: Actually, scratch all of that. [00:44:58] Speaker B: Bring it back. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Let's talk about this. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Tell me. [00:45:00] Speaker A: I actually mean this, but maybe I don't. [00:45:02] Speaker B: Can't wait. [00:45:03] Speaker A: Bringing the hand over to the side of the leg, popping the one leg. Actually take away the grabbing and the pushing. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Those are fine. Those are fine. [00:45:15] Speaker A: I'm not even that mad at that one. [00:45:17] Speaker B: But the shoom bop. Yeah, that's out. I cannot tell you how many times my 16 year old self has done that move. [00:45:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's done. That's done. [00:45:27] Speaker B: But if I'm to be totally honest, probably not. Since then, I do love the feeling of releasing my hamstring. It feels great. But paired with it's the all of it. [00:45:43] Speaker A: It's all three pieces. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Thank you for that. How about favorite move? Favorite move? Yeah, what's your favorite move? [00:45:49] Speaker A: I'm just going to go with the bounce. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Okay. I see that. Yeah, I see that for you. [00:45:55] Speaker A: Simple. [00:45:56] Speaker B: It's my go to essential, actually. Essential, actually. Essential. Can't really dance without it. [00:46:02] Speaker A: No. [00:46:02] Speaker B: This is why my answer to that question, well, I have a couple, but a two step. It's how I start and it's how I finish dancing. You can't be. It's what brings me in and it's also what takes me out. Good night. [00:46:18] Speaker A: Good night. It's a good enter and exit. [00:46:21] Speaker B: It's so good. Okay. If you could do a collaboration with anyone, living or dead, who would it be? I know. Freedom in that. The pressure. [00:46:29] Speaker A: Now, are we talking like dancer or just anybody, man, I know. So I would say, oh, this is really hard. An artist that I would love to work with, and I've never really seen them utilize dancers, ever, is James Blake. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. [00:46:55] Speaker A: And I think that he makes dance. [00:46:57] Speaker B: Music and melancholy music. [00:47:00] Speaker A: And melancholy music. He makes sometimes melancholy dance music. [00:47:03] Speaker B: This is a fantastic pairing, Marley. [00:47:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I would love that. [00:47:07] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:08] Speaker A: That's, like, my dream. [00:47:09] Speaker B: I'm going to try to see if we can make that happen. Thanks. I'll make some phone calls. Okay, great. I wrote on the card upside down. That's why I keep having to do this. [00:47:18] Speaker A: I noticed. [00:47:19] Speaker B: I did. [00:47:19] Speaker A: But it's like, cool. It's like a part of the whole thing. [00:47:25] Speaker B: The logo actually shout out Brie Reits does look good in both directions. Yeah, it does. Fun fact, Riley, my dear friend and executive assistant and editor of the podcast. Her mom has the sticker on her water bottle upside down. [00:47:41] Speaker A: I love that. I do love that. [00:47:44] Speaker B: How did you find out? Or how did she. Did you tell her? She thought that's the way that it went. I was like, oh, you have it upside down. She's like, oh, that's not the logo. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Nice. [00:47:55] Speaker B: Love that. Okay, I'm going to go a little out of order here. Going to mix it up? No, I'm going to go a little easier. A color not found in your closet. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Hot pink. And I'm not opposed to hot pink. [00:48:09] Speaker B: I was going to say I'm imagining it on you. Looks fantastic. [00:48:12] Speaker A: Thanks. [00:48:12] Speaker B: You're welcome. Yeah. [00:48:13] Speaker A: I'm trying to implement bright colors. [00:48:15] Speaker B: James Blake, hot pink. Breaking cool music video you wish you were in. Whoa. Whoa is right. Whoa. I know. [00:48:24] Speaker A: I don't know if I have a music video, but I have, like, a short film. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a short film. It's literally, like, one of my favorites ever. It's a dance music film. It's called Anima on Netflix. Highly recommend it. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:48:40] Speaker A: But I don't know if you want to know why. I also feel like nothing really clicks in my head because I feel like I grew up in the era where music videos weren't as. You missed the wave. [00:48:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:54] Speaker A: Not to say that they haven't always been a thing, but that wasn't my thing. [00:49:00] Speaker B: That's not where you were tuning in. [00:49:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I get that. Yeah. [00:49:05] Speaker B: Awesome. Do you have a favorite song to freestyle? Hmm. A song that is undeniable, like, you know, that you will dance when the song comes on. [00:49:16] Speaker A: The first thing that came to my mind is really love by D'Angelo. [00:49:21] Speaker B: Nice. [00:49:21] Speaker A: Very slow. But it's like one of my favorite D'Angelo tracks. [00:49:25] Speaker B: The last time I was at Tony Basil's house dancing with her, what did she call my music? Everything I kept playing. She said, enough with this easy listening shit. It's like easy listening. But I love a slow jam. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Me too. [00:49:46] Speaker B: I love a slow jam. Same. Yeah. I get very intimidated, especially out. Like, if I were out dancing, if it was like some really dense, complicated jam that everybody knows and loves, I would much rather. And I could get down for hours if it's just saying in a slow jams playlist. [00:50:07] Speaker A: Same. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Okay. Thank you for saying that. Yeah. [00:50:10] Speaker A: And it's got a groove, too. I love D'Angelo, period. [00:50:13] Speaker B: Period. Yeah. If you could listen to one album and only one album for the rest of time, what would it be? I know that one sucks. That's the one. I didn't ask before. I asked. [00:50:23] Speaker A: I don't know. I'm going to go with. [00:50:31] Speaker B: I'm sorry. I shouldn't even ask this. [00:50:32] Speaker A: I know. [00:50:33] Speaker B: Every time I ask it of you, I try to think of an answer, and I don't. This feeling, I hate it. [00:50:37] Speaker A: Do you have an answer? [00:50:39] Speaker B: Purple rain, probably. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Okay, solid. Yeah, solid. [00:50:43] Speaker B: Because it does have gripping ballads that will make me weep and also some of the funkiest music ever. [00:50:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say maybe. Can I say two? [00:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:50:54] Speaker A: So I would say talk tomahawk by the band hiatus coyote. [00:50:59] Speaker B: Okay. I don't even know it. Yeah. [00:51:01] Speaker A: Great. Yeah, they're really good. They consider themselves, like, a future soul band. So they've got, like, a little bit of neo soul, alternative, electronic. They've got a bit of everything. [00:51:11] Speaker B: This sounds very much appealing. [00:51:12] Speaker A: I think you would love them. [00:51:13] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:51:14] Speaker A: I just saw them at Red Rocks, by the way, and it was incredible. [00:51:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I saw. [00:51:18] Speaker A: You went there. [00:51:19] Speaker B: I did go there. I saw Jose at Red Rocks. Yeah. Heck, yeah. Riveting. [00:51:23] Speaker A: Oh, I bet. [00:51:23] Speaker B: Is that space not the most incredible thing? [00:51:26] Speaker A: Incredible. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Don't you want to put dance there? I would love to. I want to put dance there. I would love to do that. I was watching the show and I was like, there should be moving bodies up there. Yeah, that was big feels. [00:51:36] Speaker A: Oh, all the feels. [00:51:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:51:37] Speaker A: And then second one and all this came out and they came out around the same time, like 2013 ish. And that's when I became a teenager, so I think that also plays a role. But I love channel Orange. Channel Orange by Frank Ocean is so good. [00:51:53] Speaker B: It is a good album. That is a solidly good album. I'm not even a big Frank Ocean fan, but you can't deny that that's. It is so good. [00:52:00] Speaker A: Top to bottom, and it's got all the. I think. [00:52:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Yes. If you're going to be listening to one thing forever, it's got to be diverse. [00:52:07] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Okay, two more. Ready for it? Yeah. While you're not dancing, what are you most likely to be doing? [00:52:15] Speaker A: If I'm going to give you an honest answer, I want that. I am on my phone. Yeah, I'm on my phone on TikTok or Pinterest. I'm a big Pinterester. [00:52:24] Speaker B: I also am a Pinterest person. [00:52:26] Speaker A: I am a big Pinterest. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Okay, final question. Are you ready? Yeah. What are the words that move you? [00:52:32] Speaker A: Oh, man. I knew this was coming. [00:52:33] Speaker B: You did? [00:52:34] Speaker A: You knew part of it I did think about this, and there's always been one quote that from the moment I heard it, it was like a few years back, it's been my favorite, favorite, favorite quote. And it is. One day I'll find the right words and they will be simple. [00:52:52] Speaker B: The layers of the layers and the irony that that is the simplest thing that you could say and that you've found it and shared it with us today. [00:53:01] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. The way that it can be applied to everything, all the things, like, within my creative endeavors and how that idea of simplifying has allowed me to be more creative or has allowed me to create things that are sometimes more universally understood by dancers and non dancers. When it comes to understanding my emotions, over intellectualizing my feelings, and recognizing like, hey, it's actually not that deep. [00:53:36] Speaker B: Pretty simple. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Actually, it's pretty simple. I could go on and on and on about, like, huge. [00:53:45] Speaker B: Thank you for sharing that and ending on a very simple but very profound note. I so appreciate it. I appreciate your time and your talent. Thank you for being so funky. Thank you for being an example of what is possible, especially for women in this space. I really admire the shit out of you. Thank you for your time. [00:54:03] Speaker A: I admire you. Thank you for asking great questions and just being really cool. Yeah. Really cool and thorough and observant and all the things. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah. [00:54:17] Speaker A: I see myself in you and I love when that stuff happens. [00:54:20] Speaker B: Very flattering. Cool. [00:54:21] Speaker A: You're so nice. [00:54:22] Speaker B: Thank you. You're so nice. And it's nice to get to talk and get to share. I ask good questions. I hope. I think you do, because I want to know deeper what I think might be there. And I love finding out. And yesterday I had another good round of interviews where I found out that I was wrong about so much, which is also a great place that's cool to approach, where I'm like, oh, really? I thought it was this. Yeah. So I love being wrong. I love being right. Thank you for showing me both of those things today. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. If you're digging what you hear and see, please click the button bell to subscribe. It's a button of a bell and leave a comment, a review, or a rating. It means so much to me and the rest of the words that it means so much to me. Yes. And the rest of the words that move me, community, get out there into the world. Keep it funky. I'll talk to you soon. This podcast was produced by me with the help of many big, big love to our executive assistant and editor Riley Higgins. Our communications manager is ori Vajadares. Our music is by Max Winnie, logo and brand design by Brie Reits, thumbnails and marketing by Fiona Small. 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