244. Kid David: Beliefs, Breaking, and Broadcasting

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome to Words that Move Me. I'm Dana. I'm thrilled that you're here because today I am joined by my first ever Emmy winning Olympic commentator on the podcast no Big Deal. This is a person of whom I have been a huge fan since I ever first saw them dance, which is probably like circa 20 years ago. And then I became a mega fan after they were the official commentator for breaking at the Olympics in 2024. But there's more to this person than meets the eye or ear, I suppose. I am super stoked to share this conversation with the one and only kid, David. But first. Oh, I kind of used my commentator voice just then. But first we're going to do some wins. Quick. Think of a win, win, win. There it is. That's my win. I just finished reading Anthony Thomas's Rhythm Nation Experience. And if you are a person who is interested in dance or choreography or pop music or especially Janet Jackson, this is a must read, very important capture of Anthony's experience of a dancer and choreographer's experience working in the entertainment industry. Fascinating. Very interesting. Anthony, I'm coming for you as a podcast guest. I hope you're ready. All right, that's me. That's my win. This is a quick and amazing read. Get into it it now you go. What are you celebrating? What's going well in your world? Congratulations. I'm so glad that you're winning. Please keep it up. And now, without any further ado, a podcast episode that I have been looking forward to for the years. I'm so excited to share the one, the only kid, David. Oh, 33 is kind of my number. I kind of love. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Is it? [00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I love 33. Sort of follows me. [00:02:12] Speaker B: I was just talking to a buddy the other day about like people's lucky number. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And you were like, it's all. [00:02:16] Speaker B: I'm like, shut the up. Yeah, like your lucky number. Stop. [00:02:20] Speaker A: So it's yours. I really truly, like, I see, see it often, but you're an adult. You're a grown ass person. You believe in science. Like, what do you mean? What do you mean? 33. Tell me more. [00:02:30] Speaker B: No, but it is cute that people do that. [00:02:33] Speaker A: Okay, let's move into the conversation, please. It's cute. What do you think of astrology? [00:02:40] Speaker B: I think it's full of nice. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. [00:02:43] Speaker A: Will you listen to. [00:02:43] Speaker B: I've been in Bali for four months, so it's like I'm dealing with like, like, oh, you're cute girl. Like, this is going well. And then all Of a sudden they start talking about rocks and stars and I'm like, I'm down. Like, I'm down for people to believe in what they want. [00:02:56] Speaker A: I'm down for you. I'm down. [00:02:58] Speaker B: No, no, I'm down for you to believe in what you want. Yes, do that. Because if you don't believe in anything, you suck, which is me. [00:03:06] Speaker A: This is the best podcast I've ever done in my life. Let's talk about belief. Actually, back up. Let's start the episode and then we'll talk about belief. [00:03:16] Speaker B: No, that's, I mean, we can, but, like, I'm a bummer and it's not likable, the belief, the lack of belief. Yeah, I guess. Like, it's not that I don't not believe in anything. I just think belief is interesting. [00:03:32] Speaker A: I agree. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:34] Speaker A: But here's, here's a. Maybe this might help you believe in yourself. I don't think belief fuels our life. Like, a lot of people think their, their faith or their tarot cards or their astrology or whatever, their birth order, their lucky number. I, A lot of people believe that's what, like, leads and fuels their lives. Sure don't believe that. I think feelings fuel our lives. And I think you're a person who feels a lot and if you can believe like in that, then that's what fuels your life. It's not a bummer to not totally believe in astrology. [00:04:09] Speaker B: I think what really contrast belief would be rational thinking, critical thinking. So critical thinking. I once read a book, it's called the Believing Brain by Michael Shermer. It's insane. Okay, like, more people believe in Jesus than global warming, which is fine, but that is an actual statistic. [00:04:28] Speaker A: Oh, that's a humbling statistic. [00:04:30] Speaker B: So it's like, what do we have more proof of? So that's, that kind of puts the idea of belief in a nutshell of how humans believe. Believe in things. Right? So that's, I kind of stand on, like, the burden of proof. I'm like, I want to believe in aliens. I want to believe in ghosts. But I'm like, I need, I need proof. [00:04:47] Speaker A: And if that and X Files is not enough for you, like, you need more proof. [00:04:51] Speaker B: X Files is more than enough. [00:04:52] Speaker A: That was my life. That was my life in middle school. Come on. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Goals. [00:04:58] Speaker B: They don't make TV like that anymore. No, but yeah, like, I, I, I find it would be convenient for me to believe that everything happens for a reason, that I might be happier for that. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:11] Speaker B: But I don't know that that is true for me. [00:05:16] Speaker A: Okay. I don't believe that everything happens for a reason. Sometimes those words come out of my mouth and I'm immediately like, liar. [00:05:21] Speaker B: That's right. It's convenient. [00:05:22] Speaker A: It's convenient and it lets you move on. It's great. Yes. Case closed. Moving on. But another easy one that I actually do believe in is 5050 odds. I think that we will spend our human lives in a perfect bell curve of we're back to feelings now. Because it's the fuel of my life and I love talking about feelings. Half of the time, we will be on the negative side of the spectrum. Some small number very, very shitty things. Getting injured, a divorce, getting fired, some awful shit. On the positive spectrum, there's a very few really awesome things. Like you're booked on your dream gig or wedding day or whatever. Whatever. Riz is in the house and you're that happy. That's looking good. But for the most part, it's somewhere in between, which is like a parking ticket, a really good latte. That's our lives. It will be 50, 50 no matter what. [00:06:11] Speaker B: That's right. [00:06:11] Speaker A: Because the absence of any one of those things, you need one, you don't. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Have one without the other. [00:06:15] Speaker A: So can it just be like the coin toss? [00:06:17] Speaker B: It is. That's exactly right. And I think humans underestimate and undervalue just luck and chance in life. [00:06:24] Speaker A: Yes, I agree. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Like, things are lucky and things are unlucky and things are random. [00:06:28] Speaker A: I was gonna say I don't like luck, though. I don't like calling it luck. I like chance or random. Like just a random act. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Random. Sure. Randomness. [00:06:38] Speaker A: It's random. Yeah, it's random. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Life is super random. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Yo, if I was a B girl, would my B girl name me B Girl? Random. [00:06:44] Speaker B: I like that name. [00:06:44] Speaker A: I do, too. [00:06:45] Speaker B: Random Rock. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Random Rock. I actually used to joke that my B girl name would be B Girl Decent. Because I don't think it would be very good. [00:06:52] Speaker B: I think I'd be like, decent. [00:06:54] Speaker A: Don't set the bar that low. I'm letting you know I love setting a low bar because then I over deliver 100%. So that's actually. I think that's where I would enter. I think that's what I would do. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Sometimes I'm a very low bar standard setter. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:08] Speaker B: And then I guilt myself for setting low bars. But it manages expectation. [00:07:12] Speaker A: And I love setting a low bar. [00:07:14] Speaker B: And it's like part of my secret not to bring this back to dance. Is this a dance? [00:07:18] Speaker A: This is a dance thing. Actually, it actually has become more a learning podcast than a dance or a choreography podcast. It's about learning. [00:07:25] Speaker B: But I think that's like the beauty of going into a round and not knowing what you're going to do at all. And just being like, I'm going to freestyle, I have no plan. Alleviates the pressure that this is going to be the best round of my life. And then guess what? If it is, you're like, whoa, that was sick. [00:07:43] Speaker A: So let's come back to freestyle then. In the pre roll, we were talking a little bit about a friend of ours, a mutual who is like one of the greatest to ever do it and also is terrifying and challenged me. One of the first times we met was over at Marty's house. It was after JT auditioned for the future Sex Love show. So the year is circa 2007. Listener, viewer, where were you in 2007 if you were born? And we were watching the footage from the audition and we're watching like final rounds. This is it. Like, these are the baddest motherfuckers there are. And he came in the room and said, what the fuck is this garbage. [00:08:25] Speaker B: Referring to what, the music or the dance? [00:08:27] Speaker A: Looking at the dancers, Just the situation. He was like, this guy, my fucking shoe can dance better than this guy. This guy fucking worse than my shoe. My shoe could roast. This guy, this guy right here, he's like, shit talking all of my favorite dancers. And I was like, excuse me, where were you? Knowing that Marty loves him so much, he could and is booked, like gets booked all the time just for being who he is. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Well, he knows that. [00:08:50] Speaker A: That's why he's and knows that. Exactly. But I, I got heated so I said some words and he said, I'm sorry, who the fuck are you? And I was like. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Random rock, random. [00:09:05] Speaker A: You want to battle? [00:09:05] Speaker B: Let's go. I'm guessing he liked the resistance. [00:09:08] Speaker A: For sure. He lives for that. He lives for a challenge and I needed it. I was 18 years old and had been unchallenged, like moved to LA, had some pretty good experiences right out the gate. I've assisted Marty since I was 18 years old. He and I were super tight and so he kind of stepped in. He was like, bro, fall back. That's my assistant. That's Dana. Dana K Mel. K Mel. Dana. And I'm like, huh? Go ahead. Ultimately, the conversation was short, but it was hot. He said, I would know you if you were really a dancer. Whoa, you're a computer. You're one of these studio kids that can Compute and retain and learn fast and count well. And if you were a dancer, I would know who you are. And I was like, o, that's not. That's not. Not true. Freestyle had been an insecurity of mine because I grew up in a dance studio, but that's like, where we never. [00:10:02] Speaker B: Insecurity of industry. [00:10:03] Speaker A: Super. Super. I was like, I was mad conscious of it, especially because Marty's creative process, especially at that time, drew on freestyle heavily. Marty's classes at the Dome used to always end in a circle. He never, like, we didn't do groups. Groups weren't films. We had a freestyle circle at the end of class. And especially in being his assistant, I'm not like, I'm not allowed out of that. So I'm in there and feeling, oh, I don't understand this pathway. Oh, that was whack. Oh, the fucking pressure of 360 degrees of eyes on me. I hate this. It's not my comfort place. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Sure. [00:10:37] Speaker A: So he was right. And we got closer in those years after that, I put my attention on freestyling and actual techniques that would help me get better at it. Because I do think it's the same as a forte turn in some ways, which are that if you practice, you get better. If you learn a technique, you have a way to do it, and there. And that there will be good days and bad days. Sometimes you're on your leg, sometimes you're off your leg. There's a thousand fucking things to think about. But what I'm hearing you say is that relieving yourself, the brain space of thinking allows you more, A, like, freedom and B, the opportunity for something really going. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Fuck, yeah. Like a magical moment. [00:11:20] Speaker A: A, magical. [00:11:21] Speaker B: And I've always taught to my students and, like, a tenant of mine has always been, like, the reason why we spend 10 years, 15 years mastering all these movements, difficult movements, is to essentially forget them. Right. And trust. [00:11:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:35] Speaker B: And that goes back to feeling. Like, if you trust that it's in your body now, your only job is to listen. And now you're reacting and it's in your body. And maybe the fuete will be a little off, but it was raw because it was real and it was in the moment. [00:11:46] Speaker A: The. The rawest forte I ever did, by the way. Welcome to work with me. I'm Dana. This is Kid David. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Hey, how's it going? Are we rolling? [00:11:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Oh, thank God. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Right? That was delightful. But it is the beginning of the podcast now, and you have to introduce yourself. All of my guests introduce themselves. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Go. [00:12:05] Speaker B: Am I straight down the barrel or. [00:12:07] Speaker A: I look at you can be what feels right. [00:12:08] Speaker B: It creeps me out, but I'm. I'm going to look at you. Fair, actually. I don't know what to do. [00:12:13] Speaker A: Was it that bad? Jesus. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:12:18] Speaker A: No, it's fine. Look at me, but I'm not going to look at you. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Okay. What's up? What's up? See how I drop down when I do the intro? [00:12:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Use your. Use your bright commentary voice. Yeah. Yeah. [00:12:29] Speaker B: We're here live in Paris, France. The sun is setting over the. No, I'm kidding. Okay. [00:12:33] Speaker A: That was sick, though, that you could just flip it. [00:12:36] Speaker B: What am I doing? Oh, what's up? [00:12:37] Speaker A: I did tell you that this was gonna happen. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Like, I was gonna introduce myself. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:42] Speaker B: I want to just tell you, one of the hardest things for me to do is this. I hate saying my own name. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:12:47] Speaker B: I hate saying my own name, but my name is David Schreibman. Everyone calls me Kid David. And was that good? [00:12:53] Speaker A: Dude, you nailed it. That was beautiful. First take. We're using it. It's in. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:12:57] Speaker A: Yeah, but now you have to, like, introduce yourself. Like, what do you want people to know about you? [00:13:01] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. In an intro. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Or in an outro. We can put it wherever you want. How pg is this podcast we edit heavily? [00:13:11] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. I like to dance. I'm an artist, and I'm constantly figuring it out. [00:13:18] Speaker A: Yeah. That's a solid introduction. Question. Are there any gigs that you have passed on doing that you regret? [00:13:33] Speaker B: Yes. Not a specific gig, but I guess those times in your career where you need to pursue something for financial gain and therefore sacrifice something else. So just before. [00:13:51] Speaker A: Get. Get rid of it. [00:13:52] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. This is what I'll say is, like, there are times in one's career and you can probably relate. And I think a lot of dancers are like this. Like, I like. I do more than just dance. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:02] Speaker B: So at the time, you know, I've also acted a lot of my life. [00:14:06] Speaker A: I noticed. [00:14:07] Speaker B: And at the time, you know, like, acting is one of those things where it's like, you got to, like, chip away. Right. And it was just before I did the Bieber tour, the Purpose Tour, and I had a bunch of casting directors attention and this, like, new manager. And at the time, I kind of needed money. So, yeah, Nick Damora called me up and was like, do you want to go on a world tour with Bieber? And I was like, no, but the actual flex. [00:14:43] Speaker A: No, but yes. I mean, dancer, like, for a dancer to book a world tour is like winning the lottery. Money wise, consistency wise, get paid to see the world wise. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:52] Speaker A: This is a long time ago. How long? [00:14:53] Speaker B: This was like. I mean, this was like 2015 or 16 or something. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Okay. [00:14:56] Speaker B: And I just come off doing a movie and I had a bunch of momentum like acting, but I needed the money. So to answer the question about regret. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Oh, right. [00:15:06] Speaker B: I regret taking the tour for a number of reasons. [00:15:08] Speaker A: You regret doing it? [00:15:09] Speaker B: The tour was messy. [00:15:10] Speaker A: Got it. [00:15:11] Speaker B: It was a great experience, though. Like, it was a blast. I just got into some. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Stuff. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Oh, shit, we're not going there. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Relationship stuff. [00:15:20] Speaker A: Fair. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Which was fine. I'm glad it all happened. I learned a ton. But at the time, when I look back, I wish I didn't do that for the money and kind of just stuck in the momentum I had in the acting space and. Yeah, that would be the most obvious regret. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Good answer. What was the movie that you were coming off the heels of? Because I have a confession. [00:15:42] Speaker B: It was Step Up. [00:15:43] Speaker A: Great. I thought you were going to say that. I was trying to do the math in my head. [00:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It was Step Up. [00:15:49] Speaker A: I have a confession to all of my friends who've ever been in a Step up movie. I have not seen them and it's because I'm afraid that they will be bad and I will feel like I have to lie to your face and tell you that it was. [00:16:04] Speaker B: I mean, they are bad, but they're like the good bad. Does that make sense? [00:16:07] Speaker A: It does. [00:16:08] Speaker B: It's like in the same way that. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Drum line's bad, but nobody's going to be like, yo, homie, you were really great in that movie. That was so good bad. Like, you were part of what made it good bad. [00:16:17] Speaker B: That's lowkey. What happened to me, though? Like, in a sea of really bad. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:22] Speaker B: Apparent. Apparently I was doing some good. [00:16:24] Speaker A: Yes. So that's what I was going to say. I have now watched. You've only watched the last one is. That's the one that you're in. Yeah. Okay. I have watched the one that you're in and I can safely say that you are the best part of that movie. You and, oddly enough, Paris Goble, who I Paris fucking loved. [00:16:39] Speaker B: That was great. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Yo. She was so good. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Paris was the best. And the whole story behind that movie is interesting because, like, at the time, I was actually dance focused. Like, going into that movie, I wanted to, like, choreograph stuff. So I got brought on as an associate choreographer on the movie copy that was in rehearsal. And the director, like, walked into rehearsal and was like, oh, my God. Like, I feel like you're perfect for this role. It was like this. [00:17:03] Speaker A: You are. [00:17:03] Speaker B: So it was this ballroom dancer that, like, later you found out wasn't just a ballroom dancer. And she. She, at the time they were trying to cast, like, I'm bad, but a ballroom dude. Yeah, I know. Like, Brian Tanaka read for it. And I. Yeah, she was like, would you read for it? And I literally, like, cold red on the spot. I like, left the rehearsal perfect. And she was like, the role is yours. And I was like, oh, this is funny. So now I'm like, dancing. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Were you still associate choreographer? [00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I did like, oh, on that movie. Was like, like, whoa. [00:17:34] Speaker A: How did you balance that? [00:17:37] Speaker B: I just did. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Like, you, like, scheduled your life to a point where it was a lot. You had your lines and you knew you had time to work on character. [00:17:44] Speaker B: But, you know, it's funny. You actually remind me of the director in a way. Her name is Trish C. Oh, yeah. Do you know Trish? [00:17:49] Speaker A: Not personally. Not personally. [00:17:51] Speaker B: She directed that, remember? I remember her big. Her first big thing was that what was the treadmill music video or the entrepreneur. [00:17:57] Speaker A: Okay, go. [00:17:58] Speaker B: Okay, go. So she directed that. She was like, in the music space. She ended up doing, like, Pitch Perfect and a bunch of other stuff. But she was, like, obsessed with this character, Chad, because she grew up in the ball Dance. Ball dance. [00:18:09] Speaker A: Cool. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Is that how you say it? [00:18:10] Speaker A: No, it's fine. [00:18:11] Speaker B: Ballroom. Ballroom dance world. And honestly, like, you can say what you want about that movie. It's hilarious. And bad. [00:18:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:20] Speaker B: And good. [00:18:21] Speaker A: Good. [00:18:22] Speaker B: But it was, like, an amazing experience because it's very rare on a film that you. The director is so, like, hands on with this role. Like, she was obsessed with this role. So, like, we spent a lot of time. I would go from, like, dance rehearsals straight into, like, three hour meetings with Trish developing this character. [00:18:41] Speaker A: And I'm like, it shows, bro. It's. It is. It has meat. He's got so much fucking real, dude. [00:18:48] Speaker B: Like, yeah, like, so she was just breaking down, like, what these guys are like. And it's like, why I talk like this the whole time? Because it's like, that's what ballroom dancers do. Like, she's like, you're 007 and all this. Anyway, like, that. That was super fun. So that. That was. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Was that your first big. [00:19:02] Speaker B: That was Chad. Like, I guess that was my first lead, but it also ruined my life. It didn't. Didn't ruin my life. [00:19:06] Speaker A: But like, this is a good segue. [00:19:08] Speaker B: Sure. [00:19:09] Speaker A: So last time we were talking, I told you to read a book called the the Art of Learning. [00:19:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker A: By Josh Waitzkin. [00:19:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:15] Speaker A: Whose game got ruined when people made a mov. He was a child prodigy chess star. And then finding Bobby Fischer came out, and everybody had all their attention on this kid, and it fucked with his game. Is that what happened? [00:19:29] Speaker B: No, because I think that was specific. It wasn't that it fucked with my craft doing that movie. What happened was, was everything else around it, the business side. So, like, I got the attention of a very big manager at the time from that movie. They were, like, seeing the dailies. And I'm not going to drop the name just because it's irrelevant, but it was a very big management at the time. This guy was managing Paul Walker and Penelope Cruz. It was like one of the bigger. [00:19:59] Speaker A: We're up there. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Acting management situations. Personally hit me up. He's like, I want to have a meeting with you in Las Vegas. That's where we were shooting. So I had this meeting with this huge manager. [00:20:10] Speaker A: Where at? [00:20:11] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Where were we? It was like a Japanese spot in one of the casinos. And I don't remember the name. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Fair. Keep going. I'm just trying to visualize. [00:20:18] Speaker B: I know, I know, I know. So where he proceeds to kind of blow steam for like an hour about how amazing I am and how he's like, dude, you're my next Paul Walker. Like, all this stuff signs me to his manager. [00:20:32] Speaker A: How easy or hard was that for you to hear? [00:20:35] Speaker B: It was hard because I feel like the industry trains you to. To not believe the hype or slowly. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:20:42] Speaker B: When you're a kid, you believe it. Right. You're like when someone tells you, like, oh, my God, you're going to. You're going to be huge. Or like, you're going to be this, you're going to be that, like this. You're going to book this tour. It's like you learn to not believe it till it happens. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Okay. Yes. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Which is like a toughness that's kind of sad. Or even right now or even for you. Like, you could be on hold for something or you just don't. You don't get excited. Don't tell your mom. You don't tell anyone until you're, like, doing it. [00:21:08] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:08] Speaker B: Because you never know. [00:21:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:11] Speaker B: So that I had that layer where I was like, don't believe him. But then I was like, you know what? It. I'm gonna believe him. Because this feels like a time and the energy was like high. And I, I believed him. And that's where I messed up because there was all this smoke blown and I go back to Hollywood, back to la and they're like picking out my headshots and like, dude, you're. This pilot season, it's. You're booking a show, like all this stuff. And literally a couple weeks later like Paul Walker passed. And that was like his, his main client. And I basically never heard from him. [00:21:47] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:21:47] Speaker B: They put me in the hands of a lower agent within their management company or lower manager. And they sent me out like three times that year. And it sucks because it's like those, those times in your career where you kind of need to capitalize and strike while the iron. It messed up that year. And then I did this other show and that's when I got the attention of this other manager. That was good. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And then Bieber came and you dipped and you did it. [00:22:14] Speaker B: And I dipped for a year. And as you know, when you do a world tour, your life goes on pause. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Out of sight, out of mind. [00:22:21] Speaker B: And it's like the money's cool. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:22] Speaker B: As a dancer. Because dance money ain't great. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:25] Speaker B: And you're like. And you come back, wherever you are, a year and a half later and everything's the same. Panera's still there. John Bejesus still there if you're in the valley. [00:22:33] Speaker A: But yeah, well, you, your skill set, your life experience is the same. But everybody else has gone. A full year of hustle, of other gigs, of relationships, of whatever. It really is a strange thing. I wouldn't recommend it to most. I know. It's like so many people's biggest dream to go on a world tour. And it just ain't all that it seems. It is highly unnatural and unusual and in some ways inhumane. But also get paid to see the world. [00:23:03] Speaker B: 100% inhumane. I'm glad you mentioned that part. I almost died on my tour. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Fucking inhumane. [00:23:08] Speaker B: I literally almost died. I remember this one time at the top of the show, we, we would shoot out of these toasters. Do you've toasted? [00:23:16] Speaker A: I have not toasted. [00:23:17] Speaker B: So fortunately. [00:23:18] Speaker A: Fortunately, by the time I was on tour with JT, his, his NSync days were behind him and he's not trying to do any stunts. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:23:24] Speaker A: It was all very wild for us. [00:23:26] Speaker B: So like toasters used to be gas powered. Hell, then they turned him to hydraulic and that doesn't seem like a difference, but like. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Well, it's less flammable. [00:23:35] Speaker B: But it's less flammable and it's more consistent. Right. So it's like the toast is supposed to go on this music queue at the top. First of all, it's on the top of the show. So it's like every day you're like warming up to get launched at the beginning of the show. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:47] Speaker B: It's not like you can slowly get warmed up. [00:23:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You've got to be toast ready. [00:23:50] Speaker B: You're gonna be toast ready anyway. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Which, by the way, can you just talk for people who don't know the mechanics of what's happening? [00:23:56] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It's my first time looking at the camera. Camera feels right. No, I'm kidding. A toaster? [00:24:02] Speaker A: Why you're really on the podcast. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Oh, a toaster is basically the. The. The pl. The floor you're standing on is on the bottom of the floor. It launches you up to stage level. You go up and this stays and you land back on it. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Right. So you have to time your jump. Like you the dancer, you don't stand on it with. [00:24:20] Speaker B: No, no, no. You are chilling in a squat. [00:24:22] Speaker A: You're chilling in a squat so that you're loaded. And at the right time, it's kind of like getting double jumped on a train. So at the right time, you have to push up and it. The effect is like, very impressive. It looks like. [00:24:33] Speaker B: And you get stoked. You're like launched. You're like high in the air. [00:24:37] Speaker A: How big. Do you remember how big was the lift? [00:24:39] Speaker B: So, yeah, this is important. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Okay. That's the death part. [00:24:41] Speaker B: It was just big enough for me to be like this. So if you were to go out of the like a kiwi, like elbows. It's a wrap. So you had to have your elbows in. Oh, I would say it was like a three by three foot square. And I'm in. [00:24:57] Speaker A: I'm in a two by two right now just listening to this story. [00:25:00] Speaker B: It's horrible. It's horrible. And the other thing is that it's supposed to go off on a music queue. [00:25:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:25:05] Speaker B: But it's always like a second late. So you think you never really know. Right? [00:25:09] Speaker A: Like, and you just hate this story. [00:25:11] Speaker B: You just. You just got to be ready. And that, that's. That. That was 130 shows. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Yep. [00:25:15] Speaker B: And we did two toast a show anyway. [00:25:17] Speaker A: 152 with JT. [00:25:19] Speaker B: But yeah, yeah, but who's counting, right? [00:25:21] Speaker A: I actually quit. [00:25:23] Speaker B: I quit before 130. I think I quit at like 110. I quit that tour after. Like, I might be the only dancer to ever quit a whole tour. No, I'm not. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Definitely not. [00:25:31] Speaker B: Just kidding. That was a joke. [00:25:33] Speaker A: We'll put that in the parking lot. [00:25:35] Speaker B: But anyway. Yeah. So the quick story is the power died on stage right after I toasted. [00:25:41] Speaker A: Okay. The. The lift didn't come all the way. [00:25:44] Speaker B: So I get. I get shot up, and I'm in the air, and I look down. I remember being in the air, and you get launched, like, 5 to 10ft above the stage. And I look down, and there's a hole. [00:25:57] Speaker A: Yep. [00:25:57] Speaker B: There's no floor. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Nope. And you can't redirect yourself. [00:26:00] Speaker B: You go straight up. So I was like. I mean, I'm not saying, like, good thing I'm a B boy, but, like. But say it like, you know, like, ninja type. I'm glad I reacted in this way. I was like, oh, shit, I got to go back into the hole. And it must have been like, I don't know, 15ft, like, plus, like, going back into this hole. And I, like, kind of clipped my elbow. I went back in the hole, and I just remember being like. It was scary. Like, if my head had been like this or my elbow, like, it would have been. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Or if you freaked out midair. [00:26:26] Speaker B: That's right. [00:26:26] Speaker A: You realized and did something wacky with your body. [00:26:28] Speaker B: Did a split. And I remember I went to the stage manager, like, the main important guy, and I was like, hey, man. Like, I don't think I want to toast anymore. It was like, that scary. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Take me off that. [00:26:38] Speaker B: And I'm not. I'm not easily that scared, but I was like, I could have gotten very seriously injured. [00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:43] Speaker B: And no offense, Bieber, I don't know if it's worth it, but I get. [00:26:47] Speaker A: I know that it's. [00:26:47] Speaker B: And you know what his answer was? He goes, you should be lucky it hasn't happened more. You should be thankful that hasn't happened more. That was his answer, and that was. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Okay. That's the difference. [00:26:58] Speaker B: That was my first. Yeah. That was my first, like, oh, yeah, that's right. Like, dancers really are, like, disposable to you and. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah. A line item. [00:27:06] Speaker B: Yeah. That was my first step towards being like, I don't think I want to do this. Yeah. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Thank you for that, Cher. [00:27:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:13] Speaker A: I want to talk loop back to acting for a second, because I really do believe that the skills that we gain from our other disciplines and our other interests can be applied to our, like, main shit or however you want to think about it. And I think that your ability to act has probably Helped you in other areas of your life. And I think that because you've told me that I want to talk about how you prepared to be commentarying the commentator. Is that what you say? [00:27:39] Speaker B: Commentator, Commentator. How you perpetuate. To commentate. [00:27:43] Speaker A: To commentate for the motherfucking Olympic Games. Because to be honest, I have been a fan of your dancing since the first time that I saw your dancing, but I was not like fully a fan of you until the Olympics, which I watched with Randy, Alison Falk, Lindsay B. And we were all at Alison's house at Riley. Was there at 6am when was it on? Early? Yeah, we watched it live at 6am I didn't know that you were going to be commentator, Comment, commentary, the end. Silent by the end of. It's not. This whole section's about to be silent again if I don't pull together. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:24] Speaker A: I didn't know it was going to be you. So I was stoked and I had kind of low expectations because that shit's fucking hard. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Very hard. [00:28:32] Speaker A: Woof. And I was really impressed by how you were able to address people like my dad who know nothing about breaking and people like me who know enough and people who do this. Like your community of people looking at you like, don't fumble. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:28:49] Speaker A: And that pressure must have been insane. I'm so curious about how you prepared for that. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I guess I think, yeah, in preparation for that, you know, we had a bit of practice because I commentate for the Red Bull BC1 Championship. [00:29:04] Speaker A: How long had you been doing that? [00:29:05] Speaker B: By the time I had done about four events. [00:29:10] Speaker A: Okay, so you weren't a noob, but. [00:29:13] Speaker B: I wasn't a noob. But what was tough was the last Red Bull one we did was kind of an audition. They needed. They needed a reel. Oh, NBC wanted a British commentator because the way commentating works specifically is that. [00:29:28] Speaker A: You have to have an accent. [00:29:29] Speaker B: You have to have an accent. And Americans just think British and your. [00:29:33] Speaker A: And your French one wasn't cutting it. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Apparently that used to be better. Sports commentators, the ones that you hear at the Olympics, commentate every sport. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:29:42] Speaker B: The person that you hear commentating track isn't a track specialist. The guy trained with. He's magnificent. The great Lee Diffie. He's like a legendary sports commentator. He was the person that I was working with leading up to the Olympics. He does track and field. He's called some of the biggest, like races and swims or whatever. And all I'm saying, I'm saying is that the fact that I'm a specialist in what I do. And the thing I was commentating is rare. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:09] Speaker B: So it was about learning. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Kind of irrelevant, like. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Kind of irrelevant. That's right. [00:30:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Lee Diffie will get a handbook this thick on the way to the Olympics, just studying the names and the backstories of 45 F1 drivers. Like, commentating is. It's a. It's. It's gnarly. So, yeah, like, essentially, we had some practice with Red Bull, but specifically for the Olympics, there was a lot on the line. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:32] Speaker B: And basically, it's the first I felt a large responsibility and. And honored for the responsibility of explaining breaking to the world, you know, so, like, the job was explain breaking to the world, explain how it's judged, which is also a whole another subject. I was confused, which was hard. Like. And this is the other thing about the Olympic broadcast. It's the most complicated live broadcast that exists for sports. [00:31:01] Speaker A: Congrats on the Emmy, by the way. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:31:03] Speaker A: Yeah, forgot to lead with that. This guy has an Emmy for the Olympic podcast. [00:31:07] Speaker B: I won an Emmy, which is weird, but I. I'll take it. [00:31:10] Speaker A: Take it. Take it. Run. [00:31:11] Speaker B: I kind of wish it was for something else, but, like, it's fine. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Fair, fair, fair. [00:31:15] Speaker B: So it's complicated. It's complicated because what you're hearing on peacock is 60% of what we're actually saying. So the entire broadcast, we're bouncing between three different networks. Peacock, E and E International. So in our ear, out of nowhere, it'll be like going to E in 3, 2, 1. And we have to go all the way back to the beginning. Like, we're here live in the semifinals. Lee's on stage, and it's da, da, da, da, da, da. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Oh, now I'm even more impressed. [00:31:39] Speaker B: So you have to set the scene. So what you're hearing is only one of three. [00:31:41] Speaker A: Yep, yep, yep. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Okay. So the producer of your broadcast is really important. The guy in your ear. So, anyway, all that being said, I think what was most important leading up to it that I did, which is where I think, as an artist, skills that you learn in other arts are transferable, which is I. I literally looked at it like an acting role in the sense that I was studying different commentators every day for, like, three hours. So one day I would watch F1, next day I would watch basketball. And I was studying things like cadence. [00:32:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:15] Speaker B: And, you know, delivery and word economy, Stuff like that. Like, how much can you say in as little amount of words that gives the most information? Because everything you does that make sense. [00:32:27] Speaker A: I was just laughing at how poor my word economy is. I say the most words with the least impact. [00:32:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And there's. You don't want to repeat phrases too much. You can't keep saying, here we are. [00:32:40] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [00:32:42] Speaker B: So, yeah, like, I. I really looked at it like an acting role. And it's funny. When I look back and I watch some of the. Or hear some of it, I'm like, it's me playing a commentator. [00:32:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:51] Speaker B: And I think that as an artist or whatever you want to call it, you know, like, the way I commentate, I'm speaking much differently than when I'm hosting a live event or. Or anything. There's all these different hats that we wear. And I. I made it a point to study commentators. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Cool. [00:33:09] Speaker B: And. Yeah. Understand, like, what that sounds like and looks like and. Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker A: What do you think? Oh, this is probably a cheap question. What do you think the Games did for breaking and are you glad for it? [00:33:24] Speaker B: The short answer would be, it. It was very bad, to be honest. There's the side of it, which is eyes on our dance, regardless of the context of attitude. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:39] Speaker B: Is good. Right. So now more people know. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Awareness, period. [00:33:42] Speaker B: That's right, awareness. Right. Now more people know that people are still breaking. And there's a competitive world to it. [00:33:47] Speaker A: And there's a lot of them, and it's fucking sick. [00:33:49] Speaker B: There's a lot of them and they're in every country around the world. And that's beautiful. And I. I think that's great. What was also great was leading up to the Olympics, all of these new generation, and I want to say competitive breakers, because it's important to discern the distinction. It's important to discern that competitive breaking is one aspect to our dance that exists, that has gotten. Reaching this. Reached this level. But that's. That's kind of like aside from the culture. Right. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Would you liken that to commercial dance versus dance dance? [00:34:18] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Like, there are people who dance because dance, and then there are people who dance to sell something. [00:34:22] Speaker B: That's right. And. [00:34:24] Speaker A: And these people break to compete. [00:34:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:26] Speaker A: And maybe there's an overlap. There's a center circle on the diagram. Some of them also are part of the culture and live this life, but some of them solely do it to compete. [00:34:35] Speaker B: Right. And that was a big part of my narrative and throughout the Olympics. You know, I produced this documentary for Samsung and a number of other content pieces leading into the Olympics. And it was very important for me to talk about the fact that breaking is an art. Dance is an Art, the definition of competition is two people doing a physical thing when there's a winner or loser. That's all a sport is. Okay. It's a physical activity in which there's a winner and loser. So breaking is a dance. Yeah, when you have a battle, not in a cipher. Because in a cipher, there's no decision. It's just an exchange. But now that you have judges and there's definitive winner or loser, that's what makes it a sport. But dance is an art. It is an art form. I don't want to mess this up, but the definition of art is a creative expression. [00:35:26] Speaker A: Yeah. This is my favorite part of the interview all the time, when we wind up ultimately talking about what is art. [00:35:31] Speaker B: So the art of sport has always been a big part of breaking. Specifically because breaking is so physical. [00:35:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:37] Speaker B: That people are like, oh, it's a sport. [00:35:39] Speaker A: Yes, it's a sport. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Like that. Art versus sport. It was really important for me to push that narrative of the art side of it. And so overall, leading up to the Olympics, a lot of these new generation competitive breakers were getting really big contracts with brands. That was my dream. That was all of our dreams. My dream was to get paid to wear a pair of Adidas and show my moves to the world. But we had to come to Hollywood and do the industry to make real money, real money as B boys and B girls. So good for them. That was amazing. The problem is, I think it's more a testament to the climate in which the world ingests media that the whole, like, ray gun of it all took the limelight. I mean, imagine me, we did the broadcast for the women the first day, and it was a wrap overnight, 24 hours, I got 700 DMs, 20 million text messages. And more importantly, I had the head of NBC being like, can you explain this? [00:36:40] Speaker A: Like. [00:36:42] Speaker B: And I'm literally, I'm the messenger, right? And so it's like, I'm not being like, oh, my God, I wish people knew how much was on my shoulders. But there was a lot going on from the optics side that, like, I had this obligation to explain. And it was a shame that. That overshadowed the fact that competitive braking has reached a level that's out of control. It's unreal what people are doing now in competitive braking art aside. And, yeah, like, it's a shame that it overshadowed it. And it's a shame now that when someone saw me shooting a video on the beach, they would stop and be like, whoa. And now they just yell like, ray gun. Or Something. I think it's like phasing out, I think. [00:37:22] Speaker A: I hope so, because, like, you know. [00:37:23] Speaker B: People forget so fast these days. It was big, it was bad, and it made. I've always not found it embarrassing to tell people what I do, but if I'm at a bar and someone's like, oh, what do you do? I literally used to say, I'm a massage therapist to just avoid the conversation. Like, because even if you're like, oh, I'm a dancer, they're like a stripper, like, what do you mean? And I'm like, no, like, you know, I. I break. And like, you know, I do movies and tv, but there's also like this world of breaking that's like really deep. And we battle. Like, it's just like, I don't want to go there. [00:37:53] Speaker A: Yeah, fair. [00:37:54] Speaker B: And then it became worse. [00:37:55] Speaker A: Oh. [00:37:55] Speaker B: Because now it's like, oh, like, you're a good version of that. Yeah, like, cool, dude. You know, I mean, like, I used. [00:38:00] Speaker A: To tell people on planes that I train big cats. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:03] Speaker A: For industry shit. Like, you like music video, like, and no one else. [00:38:06] Speaker B: No questions. [00:38:07] Speaker A: It's like, they're like, that's amazing. [00:38:09] Speaker B: What kind of cats? Tigers, obviously. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Any big cats. You name it. Panthers? Lions. Yeah. Boy lions, girl lions. [00:38:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:17] Speaker A: Baby lions. [00:38:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah. It. It has been a rocky thing. I. I know how much I was getting hit up about it, so I can only imagine. [00:38:27] Speaker B: I mean, the best was people sending me the Reagan video. Like, I hadn't seen it. I was like, guys, like, I've. And then all the memes and I'm like. And I literally had to like, start telling people, like, can you not like, like, this was already a lot of work for me. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Too much for you. [00:38:42] Speaker B: And. Yeah. [00:38:43] Speaker A: So we've already talked about it enough. We're segueing into our final rapid fire burnout round. On my card that is now crunched cuz I was sitting on it. Funny, I write these down because I like to have some of them aligned and some of them not aligned. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Cool. Cool. [00:38:56] Speaker A: So. So for the most part, everybody has answered a combination of these questions. [00:39:00] Speaker B: Okay. [00:39:00] Speaker A: Answer from the gut, please. Don't take too much time to think about it. This is wrist roll with it. I'm gonna give you some notes on that later. [00:39:11] Speaker B: I'm so sorry. The mic was in my way. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Don't make excuses. Coffee or tea? [00:39:16] Speaker B: Coffee. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Dogs or cats? [00:39:17] Speaker B: Dogs. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Favorite color. Yeah, I know. [00:39:24] Speaker B: Favorite color from the gut. Burgundy. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Wow. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Never wear it. [00:39:29] Speaker A: That's not what I was gonna. I was not Expecting that. I was gonna say blue. [00:39:34] Speaker B: That would be my second. [00:39:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:39:36] Speaker B: I like a sea foam. A Tiffany. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Good to know. A Tiffany. Blue. Hell, it's gorgeous. Have you ever been in a Tiffany's commercial? [00:39:44] Speaker B: No. [00:39:45] Speaker A: I'll see that for you. Okay. Thank you. Favorite book? You mentioned one earlier. I forgot what it was. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Favorite book? [00:39:50] Speaker A: Book. [00:39:51] Speaker B: That's so heavy. [00:39:52] Speaker A: Just go fast. Go. Guts. [00:39:54] Speaker B: The social animal. The social animal. [00:39:57] Speaker A: Biggest fear? [00:40:01] Speaker B: Never Loving myself. [00:40:05] Speaker A: Guilty pleasure. Loving yourself. Too much. [00:40:10] Speaker B: Those weird days. Those weird days when I actually love myself. What was the question? [00:40:16] Speaker A: Guilty pleasure. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Guilty pleasure? [00:40:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Or is there something that you, like, feel good about indulging in Drake? The confidence with which you answered that question. Wow. Really? [00:40:28] Speaker B: Phenomenal. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Get it? [00:40:29] Speaker B: Phenomenal. [00:40:30] Speaker A: I don't fucking get it. [00:40:30] Speaker B: Phenomenal. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Nothing about it makes me want to dance. [00:40:32] Speaker B: It's context. I would never listen to it in my room, but. Or the car, for that matter. [00:40:39] Speaker A: You just reminded me. [00:40:41] Speaker B: But I only say guilty pleasure because when it comes to the conversation, I'll be like, yo, like, wait, what's the. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Distinction between your room and the rest of the world? Really quick. Like, room is private and in, like, sacred space. [00:40:53] Speaker B: I like DJ and play music sometimes. And it's just like, Drake has a thing. [00:40:58] Speaker A: So Drake gets played. Like, when you dj, you'll play Drake. [00:41:01] Speaker B: I'll play Drake. [00:41:02] Speaker A: Okay, but you. [00:41:02] Speaker B: It depends on the room. It depends on the room. [00:41:04] Speaker A: But you're. Your bedroom. Tell me about that. Like, you're not playing Drake. Okay. [00:41:09] Speaker B: You said guilty pleasure. I'm embarrassing to say that I will back up Drake in a conversation about Drake. Does that make sense? [00:41:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I would be on the opposing side of that conversation, but I like that. Maybe we'll find us there someday. [00:41:20] Speaker B: I'll probably get lit up for this, but it's fine. [00:41:22] Speaker A: I can't wait. I'm extremely guilty. You understand the meaning of the prompt. I get it. But, like, I still. That's wild. Fucking. I'm thrown. Is there somebody that you haven't battled and really want to. [00:41:38] Speaker B: I. I wish I had the urge to want to prove myself, but I. I don't. I'm not saying I have. Does that make sense? Like, I'm not being like, oh, I have already proved myself in that regard. But the quick answer would be, I think battling is an energy that is juvenile. And it makes sense because you're trying to prove yourself to the opponent, to the world, to yourself. And I think once you've scratched that itch, I don't know how easy it is to get back. If I would like to have an exchange with someone and possibly dance with someone, they're all dead. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Thanks for joining us, everyone. Okay, thank you for that. I had not thought of it in that context. I. As I was writing that question down, I was like, oh my God. I was thinking of eight people that you might say, but I prefer. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Who would I want to battle? Yeah. I don't know. [00:42:32] Speaker A: Oh my God. Okay, this is important, not ritual. We're taking a break because that got really heavy. [00:42:36] Speaker B: Was that heavy? [00:42:37] Speaker A: Do you, do you know these? Do you have these? [00:42:40] Speaker B: Are you kidding me? Of course. [00:42:42] Speaker A: Shut the up. [00:42:43] Speaker B: What do you mean? I. [00:42:44] Speaker A: This is like what I know about breaking, which is not a lot I. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Know on the boat. [00:42:50] Speaker A: So I know from these. I think Marty gave these to me around that same era that Camo and I got into a fight at his house. And this is probably. Wait, how old are you? You don't have the answer. [00:43:00] Speaker B: That's fine. [00:43:01] Speaker A: These are the people you look up to, probably on the come up or including you. [00:43:05] Speaker B: Yeah, well, like, I mean, freshest kids. [00:43:07] Speaker A: It'S like, it's essential viewing. [00:43:09] Speaker B: Actually, it's essential viewing. Like when I tell anyone that's like getting into the dance, this is one of. I tell them to watch freshest kids, I tell them to watch Star Wars. This is kind of one of the like digital bibles of what we do and tells the story so well. And yeah, if this doesn't inspire you to be part of hip hop culture. [00:43:25] Speaker A: I don't, I don't really know nothing. Nothing will. [00:43:26] Speaker B: This one is cool because this, I was there. I was like 14. [00:43:31] Speaker A: That's what I was kind of thinking. [00:43:34] Speaker B: And I remember, like, what's interesting about this battle was like, there's this thing that happens in dance where it's good to reflect and be like, I think there's an impatience in dance. You're like, I want to book the tour. I want everyone to know who I am. [00:43:46] Speaker A: I want it now. [00:43:46] Speaker B: But sometimes you're not ready. Like your art is not ready to show the world. And I remember being like a very ambitious 14 year old kid, feeling that, being like, I'm ready, I'm ready. And my crew renegades who battled in this was like, yo, you're not ready yet. I'm glad they said that because. [00:44:02] Speaker A: So humbling and so important that moment. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Yeah, but. [00:44:05] Speaker A: And then when you were there, were you like, oh, they're right. [00:44:08] Speaker B: I wasn't like, oh, they're right. I mean, this event's insanely special. Like this was like. Like, the ciphers were insane. The battles were insane. This was, like, a very special event. I. I was just kind of, like. I was so. Just taken back by the whole experience that it didn't matter anymore. [00:44:22] Speaker A: Fair. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Just to be there was good enough. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:44:25] Speaker B: And then in hindsight, I'm like, I'm so glad you guys made me wait. Because, like, two years later was, like, my year, and I was ready. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Beautiful. So, okay, type. Okay, we're back. What was the last song that you belted? And if it's Drake, I will ask you to leave. [00:44:38] Speaker B: No, not that he belts. [00:44:39] Speaker A: That's not even a thing. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Last song that I belted, I think it was. It was a Gyptian song. Do you know who Gyptian is? He's like, a reggae artist. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Sick. [00:44:49] Speaker B: That I'm a big fan of. [00:44:50] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Is that. [00:44:51] Speaker A: Is that music allowed in your room? [00:44:53] Speaker B: 100%. [00:44:54] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, I get it. Good to know. Okay. This is fun because you actually have experience with desert islands. What is your, like, Stranded on an island album? [00:45:04] Speaker B: Oh, stranded. Okay. Like, the only thing I can listen to for the rest of eternity. Oh, my gosh. That's so hard. [00:45:13] Speaker A: Mine is Purple Rain, if that helps you. Dynamic. It's got a little bit of everything. Prince. [00:45:18] Speaker B: It would definitely be Pink Floyd. I just don't know the album. I'm not gonna say Dark side of the Moon just because it's kind of. [00:45:24] Speaker A: Cliche, but that's the only one that I know. [00:45:28] Speaker B: It's Willow in the one before that. [00:45:32] Speaker A: You got it. You got it. [00:45:34] Speaker B: The worst. [00:45:34] Speaker A: Come on. Do you want to grab your phone? You can Google it. I won't be mad. [00:45:38] Speaker B: No, it's willow. Yeah. Metal. [00:45:42] Speaker A: Good, good. [00:45:43] Speaker B: Pink Floyd. [00:45:43] Speaker A: Metal. Love that for you. Congrats. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Pink Floyd's the greatest band of all time. Drake's the best. I'm not kidding. [00:45:51] Speaker A: Okay, sorry, sorry. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. Two more. Number one. If you had a superpower, what would it be? If you got to choose one? [00:45:58] Speaker B: Flying. [00:45:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Same. Obvious. [00:46:01] Speaker B: Or like, dolphin. Like swimming. Dolphin adjacent. Swimming. [00:46:08] Speaker A: What is your actual superpower? [00:46:11] Speaker B: Oh, man. I think connecting to people, perhaps. [00:46:16] Speaker A: I'll take it. Last question. What are the words that move you? Do you have a. Like, a north star, a guiding principle, a mantra, a poem. Oh. Or horoscope. [00:46:27] Speaker B: Whoa. Okay, wait. I think that your mantra changes, but lately it's just one day at a time. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that. Good luck with that. [00:46:40] Speaker B: Thanks. It's rough. [00:46:41] Speaker A: I know. I'm, like, one bite at a time. Dude. One step at a time, one workout at a time, one rehearsal at a time. But there's value to it. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:50] Speaker A: And thank you for including Words that Move me in your One Day at a Time schedule. I know you're busy be. No, I'm so glad to catch you. Also, because you are a mover. You're not a. You're not here a lot. [00:47:01] Speaker B: I'm not. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Thank you so much for being here. [00:47:03] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you for having me. [00:47:04] Speaker A: Thank you, Listener, viewer. You know what to do. Subscribe Click the bell for notifications. Leave a Review Rating get out in the world. Keep it funky. Wow. This podcast was produced by me with the help of many Big big love to our Executive Assistant and editor, Riley Higgins. Our Communications Manager is Fiona Small, with additional support from Ori Vajrares. Our music is by Max Winnie, logo and brand design by Bri Reitz. And if you're digging the podcast, leave a review and rating and please share. 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