Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Okay, we're gonna do my card.
Wait, hold on. I wanna make sure we talk about all the things I want. Oh, come on.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:00:09] Speaker A: Beatboxing on you. I'm tibbling.
[00:00:10] Speaker B: I love it.
Hi.
[00:00:25] Speaker A: I was, like, halfway.
I was like, are we doing or we not? It's going.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: Hey, let's see if we.
[00:00:39] Speaker A: Can do one that's even more awkward than both of those.
Oh, my God. Hi. Welcome to words that move me. I'm Dana. My dog is wrist roll. She is trying to burrow herself into the snack drawer as we speak. And it's chaos here at my place. Hey, Tiny, come. Not today, mom. Riz, come. She's like, no, the snacks are here.
Okay. I have a really, really fabulous guest for you today. I'm thrilled about this conversation. Today I'm talking to the one and only Alison Falk. And I really wanna share this episode. But first, we do wins, and I have a slightly Alison Falk related win today, so I'm gonna jump right into my win.
I'm working on a show in Vegas that requires teasing in the fashion of clothing removal. That's all I'm gonna say. You gotta watch the rest of the episode.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: Oh, really?
[00:01:35] Speaker A: Getting vocal over there, are we? One thing I've noticed is that the removal of pants in shows that involve removing pants and in life is rarely as sexy as we want it to be and sometimes as downright clumsy. And yesterday in rehearsal, we had a breakthrough thanks to my good friend, Jeremy. Adam Ray. Thank you, Jeremy, for offering your expertise. And we have found a tried, tested, and very sexy way to remove pants. That's my win today. And that's how you know that my job is weird and life is great. Now you go. What are you celebrating?
Yay.
Wow. Awesome. I'm so glad you're winning. Let's get into this conversation with Alison Falk. She is a fantastic example of what is possible for women, for dancers in general, for creatives, for leaders. I am so lucky to get a front row center seat to learn from her, and so are you. Without any further ado, here comes Alison Falk.
That'll make sense later.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: Oh, shit.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Allison Falk, everyone. Hi, Allison. Hi.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: Hi.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: I know. Camera one. Camera two. Camera three.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: We're a multi cam set up here.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: Camera two. Yeah. Yeah. What's up? Thanks for coming. This has been a long time coming. I'm so glad you're here.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: I'm so glad.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Oh, I was gonna put shoes on, but. Yeah.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Those are cute socks, though.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: Thank you. Yeah. Should I put my shoes on? They're cute. I think I'm gonna. Okay.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: Do shoes.
Those are cute shoes, though. I see what.
[00:03:28] Speaker A: Thanks. Right? It feels like because you're a B girl, it feels like a Cortez is appropriate.
[00:03:33] Speaker B: I love the Cortez. Cause that makes me happy.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: You know what? They're a little bit narrow for me. I don't feel great dancing in them.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Same z.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: Do you like dancing them?
[00:03:40] Speaker B: No.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Do you like dancing in chucks?
[00:03:42] Speaker B: I don't. These are.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: These are super cute. Thank you.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: These are just. They're literally for this. I love dancing in pumisoids.
Puma soy are like my breaking shoe.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: You found it. You found the shoe.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: It's enough wide, has enough thickness and enough lightness. Enough support. For me, personally, I still have not.
[00:04:00] Speaker A: Found my dancing shoe. Well, I've found my. I have a loafer. Yeah.
In my thirties, I became a person with patellar tendonitis. And I want as little friction on my feet as possible.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I hear that.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: It makes so much sense why Tony Basil wears what she wears on her feet. Because there's, like, cushion, there's support, and then there's. She wears a sock on top of her. She wears a sock. And then the foam shoe.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: I love this.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: And then straps that keep the foam shoe to her foot. And then another sock. Yeah, she does. So there's. It's a moon boot, effectively. And I think I'll be there. Certainly by the time I'm 80, I will be wearing a moon boot.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:04:39] Speaker A: I might even be dancing on the moon, actually, by the time I'm 80.
[00:04:41] Speaker B: I want to see that.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: I want to achieve that.
All that to say if it's not, I have this loafer thing that's foam on the bottom, and it's just slippy. So zero friction. I love it, too. But not every style calls for a penny loafer. I couldn't break in them because I can't break.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: That's not true.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: I mean, I can definitely do a baby freeze and I know a six step.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: But of course you can.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Anyways, I'm still looking for my, like, sneaker, my, like, dance sneaker. Maybe I'll try yours. It's a puma. What?
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Suede.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: Okay. Puma suede.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: It looks like a. Like a b boy shoe.
[00:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I think I've probably. I would recognize it.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: I have them on all the time.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: That was important. That was an important conversation that came before. The more important part of the conversation, which is you. Hi. Hi. Introduce yourself. I ask all my guests to do this. Sometimes I love it. Sometimes it's a challenge, but sure. What would you like us to know about you?
[00:05:35] Speaker B: My name is Allison, Allison Falk, and I'm a dancer. I also choreograph. I do some directing, and I just like moving around. You'll see me like this the whole time. I'm a squirmer. Yeah. And a dance geek. Love all dance things. All dance styles, all. And I love. That's why I'm excited to be here. I love talking about it. I love, like, dancers. I love choreographers. I love all the things, all the movement. Just. It sparks. Like, it just, like, sucks me in. So dance. I've danced since I was three.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: And it feels equal parts new to me every day. And, like, something that I have done my whole life, yet I've just. Just started and need to keep learning and growing with. But additionally, I feel most like myself when I'm dancing. Words I'm not fantastic with. I feel like an awkward person. If you ever see me looking together, it's totally rehearsed. Or I'm putting on a brave face.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: I see.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: Or I'm like. I'm putting on my big girl pants, and I'm like, hey, I'm here, and I'm running the room. And here we go. Right?
[00:06:51] Speaker A: You've had a speech with yourself in a mirror somewhere to get you to that place. Or.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: I know I need to get the job done, and I'm ignoring any of my feelings, and I'm like, let's fucking get the job done. But I don't feel. I only feel good when I'm moving. I hear that.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: That's some profound self awareness, girl.
[00:07:10] Speaker B: That is really.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: That's cool to know. Cause I would have never assumed that you had a vulnerability in the speaking place. Oh. Cause I watched the way you hold a room. And isn't that funny to hear? Like, sometimes I think of us, the individuals, as a car. And, like, you can see your rear view mirror, which is, like, all your past and all your shit and all your things. And for me, the other vehicle, I can't see what's in your rearview mirror.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: Oh, I love it.
[00:07:35] Speaker A: Unless I'm heading at you. And if I've known you a long time, whatever. And then we have our side view mirrors, which is kind of like, sometimes we can see, but then we have these blind spots. And I think sometimes we learn about ourself through the eyes of other people.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: But I would have never guessed that you are a person who is at all insecure with holding a room of words.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I mean, you know, the thing that always helps me is, like, once I get started, like, I will say I'm teaching or, you know, running an audition or a rehearsal. Like, I immediately see how I can either help or move it along, and then the fears kind of go away a little bit. Cause I'm like, oh, I can help. Let me once purpose. Yeah, let me help. Or I see, I'm like, oh, let's get in here and do this. You know, then I feel a little more, okay. But, like, if I was straight, okay, here's an example. What was the thing that just passed the. What's the choreography awards every year? The world choreography awards. Yes, yes. So Alan reached out to me. He's like, hey, do you want to come present an award? And me, I was like, sure, I want to go, you know, be around the community. It was so fun. Be with everybody. And then it dawns on me, like, a day or two before, I was like. I was like, whoa, I have to.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Go for the exact same reasons. Be around the community, be in front of the entire community.
[00:08:50] Speaker B: Stand there and talk and stand there and talk with a pre planned thing.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:54] Speaker B: And so literally, as a look at me, I'm like, as.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You're recoiling just recalling this. Yeah.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: I was backstage with, like, Scott Hyslop, who was, like, hosting his the most.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: Himself when he's holding room. Yeah.
[00:09:08] Speaker B: Talking, being funny. You know, all these things, right? And so I'm back there, like, shitting a brick, and I'm like. And I'm, like, reading through it. He's like, are you okay? I was like, you know, I'm fine. I just don't. I just don't want to fuck up the, you know, the thing.
[00:09:21] Speaker A: Whatever.
[00:09:21] Speaker B: He's like, you're gonna be fine.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: I did it.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: It was fine.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: And you were fine. It was fine, but you were good for me.
[00:09:27] Speaker B: I rehearsed. It was good for me to push myself.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: Funny enough, we were talking about Toni Basil a second ago. She's the most mentioned person on the podcast. Obviously, avi, we were on our way to Carnival. 25th anniversary or 25th birthday? Yeah, it was the anniversary carnival. I think it was 25. And she was rehearsing her speech in the car. So don't feel like rehearsing means that you're. Or needing or wanting to rehearse means that you're not good.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: Thanks, I appreciate that.
[00:09:52] Speaker A: Because this woman has been doing this for a long time, and she rehearses.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: And she's a pop star.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: She's a.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: She's a pop star. She's a living legend.
She's done all the things.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: Oh, my God, dude.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Do you want to hear something funny?
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Tell me.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: I danced in the first performance of the first carnival.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: This is the first on the podcast that I don't think I've had.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Like, night one.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: What?
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Like, night one.
Night one.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: And right now, everybody's doing the math, like, okay, how old is this person? You look freaking fantastic.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: You're really sweet.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: I have a lot of fun.
[00:10:24] Speaker B: I know a lot of never shares, but do you? I'll share.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah, go for it. Yeah.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: I'm 47. Yeah.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: And still getting fucking down.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: I'm trying. I'm trying, I'm trying.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: Okay, so I wanna go, like, four different directions based on a couple things that you've said so far.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:10:39] Speaker A: The fact that you are attracted to all dance speaks to your abilities to do many, many styles.
[00:10:45] Speaker B: I try.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: I'm assuming it was just that you were attracted to something and you were like, I've got to get in there. I have to do that. And this kind of beginner mindset probably keeps you training, like, oh, there's always more to learn. There's always more to learn. Is that what keeps you in there? Yes. Okay.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: And then the longevity component of it.
Do you attribute that? Do you have any examples of your life other than Basil, who's a great example of this? Of people, or specifically women who just keep going?
[00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think several people. So I did scholarship at Tremaine dance center when I was 19, so I would get scholarship. You win scholarships on conventions. So I think I won when I was, like, 13 or 14. Came out, hi, baby. Came out to LA. And then every summer I'd come out, hi, my love.
[00:11:33] Speaker A: This wrist roll. Wrist roll. The dog. You want to come?
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Beauty pie.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:11:40] Speaker B: She's thinking about it.
[00:11:41] Speaker A: Considered it.
She's gonna come up. Okay. She will.
[00:11:45] Speaker B: But. So, anyways, I say all this to preface Joe Charmaine. So, Joe Charmaine is definitely one of my mentors. And he was like, you just gotta keep going. Just keep going. Cause, you know, he was bought mine and the faculty shows forever.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: Him. My Pilates teacher is Laura Dunlop, and she is a woman who's in her sixties. I don't think she makes that a secret. Generations before me. And she is killing it.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: My ballet teacher on scholarship was Sally Whalen, who would, in her seventies, slide down into the splits, and she would be like, you just gotta keep going.
Every day. Every day. And Joanne Janssen, do you know Joann? Yeah, she's a mentor of mine. I'm not gonna say her age.
[00:12:28] Speaker A: Work.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: You would literally fall on the floor and melt your face off. And same thing. Keep going. Just don't stop moving. Keep going. Stop moving. Doug Caldwell said it. Keep going. Don't stop moving. And I was like, all right, Flo. Flo is a huge mentor of mine. He's, you know, he's older than me for sure, and just seeing what he's able to do with his body, pushing it and still going, and then I'll stop because I have a lot of really great examples. The biggest example I can think of is Drea Weber. Do you know Drea Weber?
[00:12:57] Speaker A: I don't know. Okay.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Drea Weber is an aerialist. She is also a choreographer, she's a director, she's a singer, she's an actress, she's a filmmaker, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Met her for the first time on pink. She's who trains pink. And anytime you see any Ariel on a tour, she usually does it. I don't think she would mind me saying that. She's in her sixties and she still performs at a very high level. Ariel, like, she is like. And she was like, she said to me, she goes, someone mentioned it. Because, you know, she's not just still going. Like, she's at a high level.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:30] Speaker B: And so she said something to somebody that mentioned her age, and she was like, oh, you know, I'm just really interested to see what happens if I just keep going until I just drop dead.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: Just really interested in that moment, in the continuation of things until the ultimate end. Yeah, that's the moment. Yeah.
[00:13:47] Speaker B: So I have a ton of inspiring, ton of great examples of people that are just like, their mindset is so clear of, like, yeah, you kind of. If you take care of yourself, I mean, there's always different, you know, hurdles and things, but generally speaking, keep going. Take care of yourself. Keep your mind right. Keep your body as good as you can as you get older, and if you love it, keep. Yeah, keep going.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: Thank you for that. I'm gonna link to some names in the show notes of this episode so that people know where to go to find that. I think in, like, no time, like the present, to be moving. Yeah. And I do. Like, it's been a long time since I took a ballet class.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: And every time I do, I'm like, damn, I wish I had been doing this. So I'm not first timing it again.
[00:14:31] Speaker B: I feel the same.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: And I mean, you can't always be doing all the things. It's an impossibility. There's only so much time. I can't take all the ballet class and be doing all the gigs and be doing all the podcasts and be doing all the training, and it's impossible. Yeah, but if I feel that, then I can add. If I feel the need to visit something, I can add that in small doses into my regimen.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: You know what? The hardest thing for me is this. And I'm gonna be just super transparent, right? Because there's a point in our life as dancers where you probably. So, like, ballet class is a great example. So I used to go regularly. Regularly once or twice a week. Right. So I probably had my peak of my ability in ballet when I was the best for myself, which is not.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: That great, by the way.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: But you know. But you know what I'm saying?
[00:15:19] Speaker A: You're playing yourself down.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: But my best. Right. And so I just have to get over my ego to be like, okay, you're gonna show up and you're gonna be here, and you kind of have to be okay with it because otherwise you're never gonna do it. And then you're down there. And as I get older, when if I've let something drop off, I have to just get out of my fucking way and be like, just fucking show up?
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Just do it. Know that it's okay. Cause the alternative is you don't ever do it again. Yes. What is that so sad. But so it's hard.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Well, because even down the road, if I put myself in my future self shoes, me taking ballet class today at 37 is way better than me not taking ballet class until that day.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:01] Speaker A: So. Totes. It's kind of. This is gonna be a really awesome transition. Get ready. I heard somebody talk about one of my friends, a woman. She's like, I want some tasteful nude photos of myself. I love it. And she's like, I'm not getting any younger.
I think it's now. I think if I wait until I'm older, I'm gonna say, why?
And I think the same thought about ballet class. Like, fuck, I'm gonna wish that I'd done more of that.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: I fucking love it.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: So maybe both. Maybe some tasteful nude photos and maybe more ballet class. Oh, I love all of it.
[00:16:35] Speaker B: I love. Why don't you go take ballet class and then afterwards, just take the dance.
[00:16:38] Speaker A: Full nude or stay at home and nude. Ballet. Naked ballet. You can really see all the engagement, all the moving bits I'm not gonna lie. Listen, there are some things that I probably would understand better about ballet. Like, for example, how to use your inner thigh if I wasn't taking it in, like, 14 layers in trash bag pants. We can love it, you know?
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Okay, I digress.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: It's getting. Well, we can talk. Actually, we are going to talk about nudity because you didn't toot your horn very loud about this at the beginning.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: You are actually.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: How would you explain your title in the magic Mike.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: In the world Magic Mike universe, I am one of the choreographers.
I'm one of the co directors on the live shows and one of the. I helped Chan with the creation. The creation of the show and then choreographed the films with two of my partners.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: Nice.
I am a huge, huge magic Mike fan. Like, big magic Mike fan. And I've seen the live show in Vegas, I think, three times now.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: I love it. And I would see it three more, like, tomorrow. But I'm now involved in helping out on the Chippendale show in Vegas.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: And I am finding and wondering if you have experienced these same things.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Which is like, start of the day, I'm fresh. I'm looking, like, smelling good, feeling. Feeling ready to be in a room full of half naked men. And then by, like, halfway through the day, hairs on sideways, mascaras down here, looking like it's been a rough night in Vegas. Actually, I think I'm at the place in the gig right now that's marked by the smell of tiger balm and ice at night.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: Cause I'm. Oh, my knees. Being on my knees is not a place that. Wow.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: It's a different thing.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Yeah. You should be careful about context here while I talk about that. There's a lot of floor moves in what we are working on right now. I love it. So I'm wondering if you had a favorite part of that process, if it was the creation part or if it was like, getting the thing up and shipping it into the world. What was your favorite part of that whole thing?
Was it not the tiger balm part?
[00:18:56] Speaker B: Well, it was so layered and over such a long amount of time.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Right. You've had different phases, different incarnations, different fucking countries.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, and we started with the film, which. The film and the live show, although they have the same name and have some similarities, they're quite different. Not even a similar story. Not even really similar dancing, really. But the first experience was 2011, and that was really the first time.
You know, it's like, I don't know, six or seven. Like, male actors, you know, that are, like, actor actor actors that are also, like, athletes.
And thankfully, like, I'm a tomboy. Terese is a tomboy. And Luke is. Luke. Luke.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: Luke is.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: Luke is his boy.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: Boy.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah. So I kind of had to, like, for myself just to be like, as I was speaking about my awkwardness earlier, I had to, like, just be like, all right, fuck it. Like, head on backwards. Here we go. And just like, oh, well.
[00:19:58] Speaker A: So you entered as one of the boys. Was that kind of your.
[00:20:01] Speaker B: I've always. The whole. Through all of it, I'm one of the boys or the older sister is kind of my take on it. Unless I'm doing. We do one number where there's a female in it, where there's a water scene, and then I stand. I obviously choreographed that. And so when I do that, I'm like, her. I am the idea of woman putting on my sexy, sexy girl moment, but I enter it as, like, okay, let's. Okay, bro, let's go. Like, that's my vibe. But.
But, yes, I will. I do share, though. Like, I catch glimpses of myself in the mirror, and I'm like, oh, damn. I'm like, shit. Oh, well.
I'm like, oh, well, there's that. But what was interesting about that first movie was watching just very gifted actors and how they approached being in a very vulnerable situation. Many of them hadn't danced before or even hadn't danced before. And then to be naked, dancing was like. Like Matthew McConaughey.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: Just clock that for a second. Like, you've never done a thing before. A skill that requires a level of craftsmanship. Yeah. And you have to do that thing on camera for the world naked. Yeah. I can't imagine adding any more pressure to that other than, like, and in space.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: I think the pressure you add onto it is, oh, and by the way, you're a famous actor, and everyone's gonna have an opinion.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: Which is, like, very public, very public. So it's not like if you don't like it, no one will see it. It's like, you don't even see. It's like it's out there. So, like, Matthew McConaughey was an example of, like, someone who, like, just through the process, gaining, like, so much respect and, like, insight about how someone at that level approaches never having danced and then being in that way, you know?
[00:21:54] Speaker A: What was his approach? I'm curious. What did you learn from. What did you glean from?
[00:21:58] Speaker B: I can give you a a summary of, like, our interactions, please.
We were prepping, just prepping some of the numbers. Me, Luke and t in a studio. I got a unknown thing, and I was like, I should pick it up. Unknown number, probably somebody. And so I pick it up. I was like, hello. He's like, alison Falk. I was like, yep. He's like Matthew McConaughey. And I was like, I'll stop with the accent, but that sounds good. But that all started, and I was.
[00:22:25] Speaker A: Like, I can hear it. Oh, shit.
[00:22:28] Speaker B: And I was like, oh, hey.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Hi.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: How's it going?
And then so he proceeded to explain. He was like, hey, I'd love to get together and start talking about the dance number. He's like, you know, as written, it was a certain thing, and he had a lot of very specific ideas, and he wanted to start working through some stuff. And then he was like, I've never danced before. I think we should just start moving, you know, all this stuff. So, yeah, so we would show up to where he was, and we would just start moving and finding things that worked for him specifically, not just, like, trying to plop something on. Yeah, because he moved. Yeah, no, he moved a very specific way, and we found things that were good for him.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: And then we kind of, like, put this whole story together, and then I say we meaning him. And we're just there to help him structure his ideas, which I've found a lot of times with people that are very into their characters. You're just helping them structure their ideas because they're so in it.
So some structured ideas. And then, you know, he was like, okay, we're gonna. On the day off, he was like, we're gonna do a dress rehearsal. Cause there's all these elements. He was gonna. He was playing guitar and singing. He was doing a fire thing. And then he was gonna go into a dance.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: And I was like, okay. He's like, we're gonna do a dress rehearsal. He's like. And then he gave me some very specific notes about keeping my eyes on certain places for a wardrobe to make sure certain things stayed in place.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: Amazing.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: And so. And in this moment, you're. You know, if you. If I take a step back, you're like, oh, that's funny. But then I'm like, no. I actually feel like in those moments, I completely turn off any sense of, I don't know, sexuality or being a woman. And I literally feel so responsible for this man. Cause he is in the most vulnerable position and the only person looking out to make sure his stuff is in his thing is me, and I. He has given me all of his heart and soul and tried so hard, and I'm like, I got you, bro.
So a lot of that whole process was like, I got you. It's okay. I got you. We're gonna be okay together, you know? Cause they're looking at me with these eyes. Like, they start to get my vibe that I'm not, you know, I'm nice. I'm kind. I'm here to help you. There's no weird thing. And so they start to figure out, they're like, oh, she got me. And so then every so often, I'll see in their eyes, like. And I'm like, come here. We're gonna be okay. I got you. You know? Huge. Yeah, but so, so that's a good example of, like, that was kind of like. And then you multiply that by, like, all. All these beautiful, amazing men that have their versions of that, you know, and that kind of started it. But, you know, if you're watching, if you're in a room with, like, Joe Manganiello who's, like, six six, like, you know, he's just, like, changing his clothes and talking to you, and you kind of just have to, like, very quickly be like, okay, this is what we're doing, okay? This is life. This is life now.
[00:25:15] Speaker A: This is my job today.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Okay? You multiply it by the years, and then you just, you know, it's not like you don't notice how, like, beautiful they are and how, like, they're just gorgeous and hot and all these things, but it has to take a backseat to, like, for me, that's how I approach it. Like, my role of, like, I got you. Let's get this done. And then when we get it done, we can marvel at, like, oh, you look great. You know, you look great. But let's get there and let's figure out you, because the. The men in those films, like, it's. You gotta figure out their thing to help it get there. And then with the live shows, my favorite part of doing it was we spent, like, two years talking about it on and off with chan, and we would, like, go to Vegas and scout places, and then we'd spend, like, six to 8 hours in a hotel room talking about ideas.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: And this would happen for, like, a few days, and then he would go do a movie, and then we'd get together again and talk about stuff and whatever, and, you know, and we've known.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: Each other for a long game.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah, we knew each other for so long. And it wasn't, like, a situation where, like, I mean, he really wanted to reimagine what a thing like that could be and really be sensitive to, like, culture and women and how this was gonna be put into the world and, like, understanding the nuances of all that stuff. So there's a lot of talking and a lot of consideration. Like, I mean, there was, like, a year of us, like, listening to music for months on end and, like, you know, like, here's all the music in the world, and how does that fit together? And so that process, although it was at some times, like, are we ever gonna find the thing? When you do find the thing, it's, like, exciting.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: And then that first that even though our show now has evolved a bit from our very, very first version, like, that very first night of people seeing things and being like, okay, this might work. You know, it was exciting. It was exciting to know that, like, that was out there. And then the thing that I've loved so much over the years is seeing the amount of dancers that we have been able to, like, give a job and that they enjoy their jobs, and our organization treats them really well. And the amount of people that has created friendships, relationships, gotten married, had babies, so many relationships. It is. And then people that are, like, best friends that, like, someone's from Italy and someone's from South America, and they're, like, best friends. Or a good example is this kid Jeremy, who's from Atlanta, and Ryan Pierce, who's a metalhead, and they're best friends. And I'm like, these two people should never have been in the same room, let alone best friends. So, like, seeing those things happen, seeing people be able to save their money and buy a home. Yeah, dude, that shit melts my face. And honestly, it all goes back to Channing's. Channing's random decision when he was 19 to be a random stripper and then, like. And then have a conversation and then do a film with Steven Soderbergh, and then him and his best friend have a random conversation with them at dinner. And Steven was like, that sounds interesting. I don't know. Write it and send it to me. They wrote it and sent it to him. They made the movie.
[00:28:37] Speaker A: I had no idea that was the origin story. Yeah. Fuck.
[00:28:41] Speaker B: So it all comes from him, and it all is the top down. He's a lovely man. That's fucking the coolest dude ever and only wants shit to be cool. He's not meaning treating people.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, yeah.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: So the idea that we've gotten to, like, put dance into the world, have people happy, and then hopefully great dance, by the way. Thanks, dude. And then just audiences that are, like, happy leaving, happy, having fun, feeling hot, feeling empowered.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: And for some women, having the moment, which is rare, to get to objectify a man in a place where it's safe to do that and consensual is awesome. And I would point out also it felt, as an audience member, that this was a show that has been extremely considerate at every step of the way. I feel so well cared for as an audience member, and I don't, I think I've lost the ability to experience a show simply as an audience member. Sure. Because of being in this industry as long as I have, I'm looking for lighting cues. I'm wondering what the transition is. I'm wondering if they're going to use that part or this part.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:50] Speaker A: Oh, that's clever. I like that. It's hard for me to observe something just as an audience member. And that show put me there. Like, I had to go see it again because I wanted to, like, study it more. Cause I just became. It really was disarming and smart and well crafted. I could tell that this was not something just thrown together.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: Thank you. And I think the amount of time you guys have had to, like, evolve the brand and the fact that, that he's so hands on and that the team is more or less still the same. Yeah, yeah.
[00:30:22] Speaker B: Team's more or less still the same. Um, I can't. Thank you. That what you just said is, like, the thing that, like, that is why we do it. And that makes me so happy. Makes my heart, like, swell, you know, because.
Yeah. Thank you. And, yeah. Chan, I can't say enough about him, how involved he is. And he's. Him and Reed, they're. They're fucking smart.
Smart.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: He gets it. Smart.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah, he gets it and he cares. That's like, I think that was something that's so evident. Like, of course you want to have a successful show, but, I mean, I don't think the intention going into it was like, let's go make a lot of money. It was kind of like, we need to do better. Let's put something in the world that's gonna be better than.
[00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
Doesn't she? Yeah. We'll probably be able to hear that.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Her eyes are open and she's sleeping. And sleeping. Correct.
I'm sorry. You must have everybody respond this way. It must be like, well, she's usually.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: I don't know, why? She was hesitant. She's usually sitting on one or the other of us.
I want to revisit something you just said, too, because the concept of sexy has been really interesting to me since probably age. Let's see, 20. So I turned 21 on my first world tour with JT. That's sick. That's not. That's not shitty at all. He threw me a birthday party in Hollywood once. It was awesome. It was fun. Dude. Dude. I know. And then that night, I threw up out the window of Ava Bernstein.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah, you did. That's hilarious.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: The scion. Oh, my God.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: Stop it.
[00:32:03] Speaker A: As it should be. 21st birthday. As it should be.
So I very much modeled myself after men most of my dance career. I liked the way men dance, and so I wanted to dance like them. Yes.
And then when I was on that tour, I remember being on the tour bus once and watching the show and Marty giving notes, and he asked me at one point, he was like, I think you should do it more like Nancy on that part. Nancy Anderson, by the way, super shout out, smokin hot, fabulous dancer. You're so great. Love you big time.
[00:32:36] Speaker B: Does all the things.
[00:32:37] Speaker A: But that was the first time in my life I was like, but you're you, and I. I dance like you, and that. Isn't that why you're, like, I'm here? Because. So, wait. Yeah. And at that point, I became really aware, and maybe not in such a great way, of something that it seemed like most women dancers were doing that I was not. Or some, in my mind, like, she had some magic power that I did not. And it was not until I started taking acting class. And this came up in acting. I know she's really.
This came up in my acting class, something about, like, my.
I had, like, an aversion to expressing myself sensually in a scene because I had this identity about being kind of dudeish, and I thought that it was cool to be that.
[00:33:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: And why would I think that? All the boys that surround me in the dance world are the epitome of cool, so I get that. But my acting teacher helped me to realize. He asked. He was like, okay, so this person, this lady dancer who you've decided to compare yourself to, what does she have that you don't have? And I paused to think about that, and he was like, hair.
She uses her hair. She has hair. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, do you also. You also have hair? Yeah. And I was like, yeah. And he's like, I'm assuming she has boobs. She has boobs. Yeah. Do you also.
You've got boobs. Yeah. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, how about elbows and fingers and knees and feet? And so you have all the things, like, what is it? What else are you waiting for? And so when I realized on kind of a basic level, I really started thinking about what is sexy to me. I love.
Well, in the physical sense, I think hands are extremely sexy to me. Necks. Like, I have a neck. Yeah. What else is sexy to me? A background hair, eyeballs. Wow. I have all the sexy things. So let's, you know, activate sexy parts. Just meant count myself. Like, count me. But that started a more important conversation about what is sexy outside of the body, because, let's be real, I am a person who calls way more on imagination in my work than on physicality. It's really less about moves to me than ideas and feelings. Yeah. So something you said a second ago, vulnerability, I think, is one of the hottest things, and you have worked with men and encouraged them to a vulnerable place. It's like, kind of bedrock to the magic Mike story, is not that they're pretending to be tough. It's that they are vulnerable, and that. That is hot. Yeah. And I think what you've found, or what I'm learning from you right now, is that being vulnerable requires getting a little bit messy.
[00:35:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: And in this project, you had to be the container and the cleaner of the mess. So, like, big bucket that just keeps shit in the bucket and keeps things from splashing over, or, like, allows a spill to happen. And then is the container, and you have to be so big to contain some of these big messes. It's true. No offense, gentlemen, but, like, anybody finding themself is gonna get a little bit messy. You're unpacking, you're trying, and it sometimes can, like, get messy.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: It's a really cool observation. And, I mean, just kind of speaking about what is sexy. Like.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah, please. I wanted to ask you, what is sexy?
[00:36:21] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I examine, just because of the show we do and the world, I've spent so much time in it. Like, the. What I've thought about in this instance, in this show is oftentimes, like, what do women or. Or any human who likes men, what do you find sexy about men like, in that? Like, that's kind of what I look at a lot, and the answer is, it could be, like, a bajillion things.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: Right.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: And it could change. Like, I can think something is sexy today and tomorrow, maybe not so much, or, you know, and that if I'm speaking about, we'll just take heterosexual women for a second. We are so different and our tastes are so different and no one is wrong. It's all right. So if I'm just being. Naming some things that are sexy. Humor is sexy.
Romantic is sexy. Intelligence being dangerous, being a little dangerous is sexy. Being just physically, like athletically hot is sexy, like stereotypical, down the line sexy, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, you know. So in our show, we try, we try talent. I think being good at what you do is extremely sexy. Like, if you're the fucking best journalist, I'm like, damn, you could really write, can't you? And like, you know what I mean, though? But it's true though. Like when you see someone like excel at like, what they really enjoy and are good at. And so in the show we do, we try to do that, right? You know, like we try, like who's a really dope singer, let's have him sing. Because, you know, and, you know, and then unpacking with the vulnerability aspect of the sexiness. It's like talking to a man, like, especially guy dancers that maybe didn't see themselves in that way. But I'm like, oh, actually you don't understand. You're really attractive because, well, let me tell you why I think you're attractive. This, this, this and this. And they're like, oh, really? What?
[00:38:14] Speaker A: What?
[00:38:14] Speaker B: Oh, I am. You know, so like JD is a great example.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Twix.
[00:38:18] Speaker B: Great.
He's so fucking good in the show.
Twix, you're so good. Oh, well, like we said, we doesn't.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: Didn'T think of himself as a sexy person.
[00:38:30] Speaker B: Well, it, the story surprised stories. The story's really funny.
[00:38:33] Speaker A: Go.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: So, I mean, he, you should have him on this at some .1 hundred because his life story, you're gonna, if you don't know it, you'll, you'll face, will mount off with, I don't want to give it away because, so fantastic. But anyways, he, you know, he's an underground b boy. Very, very well known, you know, massive monkeys. Won all these battles.
Eventually made the move out here, started working in the industry. He saw like Flo and wicked and b boys like that that were working in the industry. Rich and tone took them under his wing. He started doing the Chris stuff, Jason Derulo, all that kind of stuff, right? So he was down with like footwork fanatics, funky fanatics of flow. And that's kind of my association as well. And so we'd all practice together. It would be like JD flow, me and some others, in and out, you know, group of us. And so I knew all this stuff was coming up, you know? And so JD loves r and B, and when he was a teenager, he would like, you know. Yes, I do know.
And we're gonna make this podcast, by.
[00:39:31] Speaker A: The way, mandatory visual. You do kind of actually have to watch it if you're a listening listener. Just go visit YouTube a little later on and give it a watch because there's some real nonverbal hinting that we're doing here, but carry on. Yes. Okay.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: So float additionally is somebody that loves r and B and loves being a kind of dancing, sexy esque, right body rollesque type stuff. Flo loves this stuff.
So when we session with Flo, like, he usually runs the practice, and he'll be like, okay, we're dancing this kind of music. Okay, we're working on footwork to the front.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Working on this. We're going with that, you know, whatever. And so he was getting into this vibe where he's, okay, let's put on r and b, and we're gonna dance slow, and we're gonna work on. We're gonna do footwork, but I want it to be slow, like, not rush. And I was like, dope.
[00:40:19] Speaker A: Love it.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: This is gonna be so helpful.
[00:40:21] Speaker A: I also love the sound of that.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: That sounds great.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: I'm loving this.
[00:40:24] Speaker B: I'm loving taking my time and not looking like a maniac. Awesome. And so JD was just kind of, like, sitting in the pocket and, like, he basically did a halo. He did a head halo into, like, a dolphin dive hump. And I was like.
And I was like. Afterwards, I was like. I was like, so, JD, I was like, we're gonna be doing this show coming up. And da da da. And he was like, oh, word. Okay. And I was like, I think he'd be really good for it. He's like, me. He's like, what are you talking about?
[00:40:52] Speaker A: I'm not.
[00:40:52] Speaker B: I'm. No, not me. No, no. And he could not conceive that he would be looked at in that way. And he's like, wait, are you sure? And so I talked with him quite a bit about explaining kind of the concept behind it and, you know, how we want, like, different men with different looks and different abilities and all these things. And I was like. I was like, I think different vibes.
[00:41:13] Speaker A: Different styles of men.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: I was like, I think you'd be amazing. And he could not get past it. For a second, I think we did, like a promo thing for one of the films, and I was like, just come do it. And he didn't. He was like, he was like, oh.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: I really like this.
[00:41:25] Speaker B: Yay.
And now he's been in the show since.
[00:41:29] Speaker A: That's very cool. I think it's interesting, too, to be thinking about styles of person instead of, like, tropes of person.
[00:41:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:37] Speaker A: Like, there are the caricatures of sexy, and then there are the actual fingerprints. One of the things I think magic Mike did really well is make these characters real people instead of tropes or monoliths or caricatures. And I really dig that kind of, like, instead of macro ideas of what's hot, we get really micro. And there's so much personality in the show. It reminds me of something that I deeply believe, which is all of the many different colors of sexy and all of the many different ways you can be attracted and attractive. So hats off. It's so good.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: Bye, little one.
We're gonna. I could talk to you for actual ever.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: You're so sweet. Let's same, by the way. It's fun.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, we're gonna do my card. Card. Wait, hold on. I wanna make sure we talk about all the things. Oh, come on.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:42:36] Speaker A: Beatboxing on you. I'm tibbling.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:42:39] Speaker A: Okay. I have noticed a through line for you from my zoomed out place of preparing for this podcast. I think that the through line in your maybe creative life, maybe bigger life, is female empowerment.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Oh, I love that.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: From the beat freaks to magic Mike and probably everything you've done in between, it really feels like you support and elevate women in the process.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: Love that. Thanks.
[00:43:09] Speaker A: Am I making it up? Does that feel real to you?
[00:43:12] Speaker B: If I take a zoomed out look at the projects, I've definitely been involved with a lot of that. Even, like, the pop stars and stuff that I've been around. Pink, Madonna, Jennifer, Britney, Miley. Like, it's all pretty.
[00:43:28] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like that world. Hey.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: And I mean, I think you're a person empowerer. I really do think you are about empowering all types. But when I was like, what I wanted to do is find my favorite beat freaks video and have you react to it.
[00:43:43] Speaker B: Oh, I love it.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: But I was a little bit rushed today, so maybe I'll ask you if you have a favorite beat freaks performance. Could you send it to me and I'll put it with you.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: My favorite beat freaks performance we did was the last one we all did together, which is so funny. It was 2017, and it was at the. There was.
I'm gonna say it wrong. I think it was an awards ceremony in LA for. I want to say it was like a world of dance or hip hop Internet something. It was like one of those. But it was like an industry awards thing.
And it was at. I think it was at Avalon or something like that.
[00:44:17] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I have it. I'll send it to you.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: Okay. Please. I would love to see it. Cause I'm a huge fan.
[00:44:21] Speaker B: Thanks, dude.
[00:44:23] Speaker A: Of all of you individually as individual bits, but the collective is so fun.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: I am a fan of all. I look up to all the women in the beat freaks as a fan, so I always giggled. I was like, I can't believe they let me in. I was like, this is dope.
I was like, tight. All right, cool.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: I'm in.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: I guess I'm in. All right. I love it.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: Okay, rapid fire. We are gonna finish the interview with rapid fire. That is not the reaction that my.
[00:44:49] Speaker B: Last guest had because it's like, fuck it. Who cares? Just say it.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: Okay. Just say it from the guts.
[00:44:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I love it. It's fun.
[00:44:56] Speaker A: I forgot to tell you, we call this section wrist roll with it.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: Right?
Coffee or tea? Coffee. Dogs or cats? Dogs. Club or classroom?
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Classroom.
[00:45:10] Speaker A: Person you've never worked with but really, really want to, huh?
Yeah.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: This is so random. Lady Gaga. So random, right?
[00:45:20] Speaker A: No, it's not.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: I just saw that trailer.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. The joker. We're prepared. We're ready.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw the trailer.
[00:45:28] Speaker A: I'm like, that's fucking dope. This one might take some time. If you were me, it would take some time. Favorite food in Vegas?
I'm asking because I need to know. I'm going next week. All right.
[00:45:39] Speaker B: I'm vegan, so.
[00:45:40] Speaker A: Oh, that changes it. Yeah. There's a place called Red Velvet Cafe. Did you ever go there? No.
[00:45:44] Speaker B: That sounds amazing.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: They. Food, pastries and all vegan tight. At least there used to be.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: Okay, well, I will tell you the two restaurants that I would recommend. I'll tell you my recommendations. How about that?
[00:45:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Okay.
[00:45:57] Speaker B: So they have a crossroads there, which is vegan, which they have it here in LA. It's like upscale vegan. And then if you're a meat person at the Sahara, they have a place called bazaar meets. And it's like. It's like a dinner.
[00:46:08] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:46:09] Speaker B: It's not like a grab and go. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you want to have an experience.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: I do. I was just telling Riley yesterday, I think I'm overusing the word experience. I really say it a lot. And now that I told you, you hear me say it all the time, don't you? Yeah. Look at riser's tail. It's straight. Right now.
She's so relaxed in Riley's lap that.
[00:46:29] Speaker B: Her tail is like, little tongues out. She's just like, meh.
What does that feel like?
[00:46:35] Speaker A: Right? What is to be that relaxed?
[00:46:38] Speaker B: I love it.
Just.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: Have you ever been in a sensory deprivation tank?
[00:46:43] Speaker B: I have.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: It's amazing. I love that's what I look like in there.
[00:46:47] Speaker B: That's how I feel during and after acupuncture.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: I'm like, okay, so I've only had it once. I got Lyme disease a long time ago. Tick. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. I was in Lee, Massachusetts, and I got more than one.
I caught it really, really fast. Got on antibiotics really fast. Kind of minimal symptoms, but really achy joints for a long time. So I got acupuncture done in my hands, and the acupuncturist did not tell me, don't move.
And she left the room and I was like, whoa, look at this. She came back and she was like, stop. So I've fucking panicked and I haven't done it since then.
[00:47:25] Speaker B: Copy that. If you ever want a recommendation.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And now I think I'll do better. I promise. But, yeah, there's not a fun first time. Okay, got it. And then I did also have the same question about the food thing because magic Mike is now also up in London, right?
[00:47:39] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: And so what is your favorite food spots there?
[00:47:43] Speaker B: Oh, my God, so many great food spots in London.
Oh, fuck. You gotta go to dushoom.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:47:50] Speaker B: Dashoom's amazing. It's indian food.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: So good.
There is a little vegan spot. Oh, what's it called? It's right there on the square.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: Curse.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: Can't think of the name.
[00:48:00] Speaker A: I can see it.
[00:48:01] Speaker B: Can't think of the name.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: Text me. We'll put it in the show notes.
[00:48:04] Speaker B: And then at the Hippodrome, Heliot Steakhouse is really good. And there's a noodle bar downstairs that's really good.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: Done. Love that. Yeah. And now just because we're on the track, where in LA do you go for vegan?
[00:48:15] Speaker B: Oh, well, I cook a lot at home. My fiance and I cook all the time. Yep. And for vegan in LA, I love. Gracias, madre.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: It's, like, so good. I go to crossroads. I go to sugar taco.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: Right over here. Yep.
[00:48:29] Speaker B: Have you been?
[00:48:30] Speaker A: Never been.
[00:48:30] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It's Laurel Canyon, and right here, it's Ventura and Kester.
[00:48:35] Speaker A: Oh, JK. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know the one. Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: It's so good. And they have, like, to go margaritas.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: That's fantastic. It's really good. Yeah. I drive by because I go to hot eight sometimes.
[00:48:44] Speaker B: Oh, it's right there.
[00:48:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've seen it, but never if you.
[00:48:47] Speaker B: And it doesn't. I know this sounds funny. If it doesn't taste overly vegan. I know that sounds funny.
[00:48:51] Speaker A: No, it definitely tracks, because I am a meat person. Yeah. But I've had a couple jackfruit tacos that had me fooled.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: The only thing that I think is really, really tough to replace is the cheese part. I have yet to find it.
[00:49:02] Speaker B: Oh, I've found some. I'll help you.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Bring it.
[00:49:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Nixon Beverly. Nixon Beverly is like comfort food. And my meat eating australian fiance is like, oh, that Nixon Beverly.
[00:49:13] Speaker A: Nice. Okay. Thank you.
Speaking of fiance. You're getting married soon.
[00:49:18] Speaker B: I'm getting married so soon.
[00:49:21] Speaker A: What's your first dance wedding song? First dance is Mister and miss. Yeah.
[00:49:26] Speaker B: Our first dance wedding song is nearness of you.
It's a super old jazz song.
[00:49:33] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: It's not the pale moon.
Nora Jones did it, too.
[00:49:38] Speaker A: Yes, I know the Nora Jones version.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah, listen to the Ella Fitzgerald version.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: Thank you.
Oh, no, that's gonna take us out on this episode. That's what we're gonna leave on. Okay. Two more. Well, three more, technically. What is the sexiest dance move? Alison falk.
[00:49:54] Speaker B: The sexiest dance move. This is easy because it's not a move. It is whatever you do with the most intention that makes you feel the sexiest.
If you feel sexy, we're gonna think you're sexy.
[00:50:05] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: But if you feel weird doing it, it's not gonna look good.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: Sexiest move is case by case basis. Yeah.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: Depending on what.
[00:50:12] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: Like you said, you love hands, so if you have a hand thing, that's like.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: You know what I mean? It's the sexiest move.
[00:50:19] Speaker B: It's the sexiest move.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: Riley and I were just talking about execution the other day. It is 100% everything. You can have the same exact move executed differently, and it could be the hottest thing you've ever seen, and it could be the lamest thing you've ever seen. It is execution.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: I think that is kind of paramount. That's such a good thing you bring that up. I mean, I often. I find that, oh, I just saw the Matthew Bourne book.
Oftentimes I'll see, like, a very, very talented person do something. I'm like, what are they doing? What are they doing? And I watch it and I'm like.
[00:50:52] Speaker A: They'Re just, they're just doing it from the guts. Yeah.
[00:50:56] Speaker B: But, like, I'll try to break down, like, what's, like, what steps are. I break and I'm like, oh, they're just doing this. But it's that. Yeah, it's what they're doing.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: There's, it's their ness, it's their self, it's their, in their interest in what they're doing. That's another brilliant thing my acting teacher said, podcast guest Gary Imhoff. I should just know that episode. Is it, is it, is it like 114 or something? No.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: Anyways, you're awesome looking. You're awesome.
[00:51:24] Speaker A: 112, I think it might be wanted.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: Look at that little girl. Just chilling.
[00:51:51] Speaker A: Chilling with me.
[00:51:55] Speaker B: She said that was wow.
So now you always remember.
[00:52:01] Speaker A: Now it's locked.
[00:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's locked forever.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: I am so sorry, slim, for my vocals just now. And everyone that I'm pretty sure peaches and cream came out my senior year of high school. Oh, hell yeah. And we need to talk about that.
[00:52:13] Speaker B: That's amazing.
[00:52:15] Speaker A: Yes. Execution. Oh. Gary Imhoff said that stage presence is simply the amount of interest you have in what you are doing. People who are more interested in what they are doing look more present and are commanding.
[00:52:28] Speaker B: Dude. Freaking. I read this in Matthew McConaughey's book and it has stuck with me.
[00:52:37] Speaker A: She said, matthew McConaughey, who? Yeah.
[00:52:40] Speaker B: And it's not exactly Norfest. It's not exactly that, but it keeps me, it always. I love it. He said, be less impressed and more involved with yourself and the process.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: Yes. Less impressed and more involved with the process. Love that.
[00:52:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: And I do want to shout out Gleb Sevchenko, who I'm working with on the Chippendale show, and who you have so generously been coaching on some movement things as well, because he, when it comes to execution, and we've had a couple eight hour days, bless em, no marking. There is not a body roll that is not 100% invested.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: I love that shit.
[00:53:17] Speaker A: Interested and therefore very interesting.
[00:53:21] Speaker B: And that's how you get there.
[00:53:22] Speaker A: I mean, come on. Oh, so good.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: So you get there.
[00:53:24] Speaker A: So I think I know now the answer to the question I was going to ask after. What is the sexiest dance move? What is the least sexy dance move?
[00:53:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's just not being in it if you're not in it. Like, I'm not gonna be in it with you. It's. You know, it's like, it's not hot. No, it's not hot if you're not.
[00:53:43] Speaker A: Yeah. You can be doing.
You can. You can be.
[00:53:48] Speaker B: You can be doing graphically sexual dance moves, and if you're not connecting sex.
[00:53:52] Speaker A: And it can be natural, and I'm.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: Kind of like, it's not really that.
[00:53:55] Speaker A: 100% yes. Thank you. Okay, last one. And this is a question that all of my guests get.
[00:54:01] Speaker B: Okay. Love it.
[00:54:01] Speaker A: What are the words that move you?
[00:54:03] Speaker B: The words that move me.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: Quote, guiding principle.
[00:54:07] Speaker B: I just told you the quote that moves me. I know that's crazy, but I just was so. I just love that take on it. Like, less impressed, more involved. And it can be with yourself, with the job you're on, with the process. The process.
And the sentiment behind that is, like, sometimes the grandeur of things and not even in a cocky way, you're just like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm doing this thing. This is so cool. Sometimes maybe you're like, I'm doing this thing. But most of the time with most of us, we're like, I can't believe I'm doing this thing. Get rid of that and let's get in here. How can we do this? How can we do this? Let's get involved. Let's work and do this thing. And I really like that sentiment for my anxious self. Sometimes I have to be like, helps to stop it.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: Focus.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: Yeah, stop it. You can do this. Let's go.
[00:54:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Forward. Yeah, forward and through.
[00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: Fantastic, my friend. Thank you so much for being here. I cannot. Oh, my God. A 2.0. Because I want to also geek out on dance a little bit more with you.
[00:55:04] Speaker B: I would love that.
[00:55:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Cause also dance fan, I really, really love it. And if we were to, like, really put a bow on it, talking about dancing might be my more favorite sometimes than dancing just because it's less painful.
[00:55:20] Speaker B: I hear that.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: And we can do it at any time. So cheers to talking about dance way more often.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: Yes. Yes.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: Thank you again. Thank you.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:55:26] Speaker A: Thank you, listener, viewer, for being here. Click subscribe and the bell for notifications. Smash the likes. Leave a review or rating. I just.
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