Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: We were in UK, and these guys, like, people keep coming up to me and say, you look like Ed Sheeran. They're like, I thought you were Ed Sheeran. And we were in this fish and chips place, and this guy was so drunk. He's, like, asking us about skateboards. And I was like, no skateboards here, man. And then he's like, Ed Sheeran.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: Ed Sheeran.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: And he started, like, hugging me, and then he, like, whispered something in my ear. And I swear it was a curse, but it was really weird, but. So, back on the topic. My hair is strawberry blonde.
[00:00:27] Speaker C: Your hair is, like, cherubic. Godly relative to Ed Sheeran. Terrible offense, Ed Sheeran.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: I know, I know.
[00:00:35] Speaker C: He's fine. Trust me, Ed Sheeran's fine.
Holy smokaronis, my friends. I'm Dana. This is words that move me. This is wrist roll. The dog looking maximum cute today. Although she's not feeling well because she maybe ate something this morning on our walk that she was not supposed to eat, so she's just chilling right now. I'm stoked that you're here. Today is a really special episode of words that move me. Cause I'm joined by a boy band today. I am joined by my friends, the full circle boys. And this conversation goes, like, in many different interesting circles. I think you will learn a lot and laugh a lot. But before we get into it, I'm gonna celebrate some wins today. The win that I am celebrating is someone else's win today is Riley Higgins birthday. Words that move me's executive assistant and editor and my dear friend, happy birthday, Higgins. Thank you.
The boys from full circle, the full circle boys also sang happy birthday to Riley, and it was epic. So happy birthday, Riley. I'm celebrating you. What are you celebrating? Listener, viewer. What's going well in your world?
[00:01:48] Speaker B: Happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday, dear Eileen Happy birthday to you a little messy. A little messy.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: I love it. Congratulations. I'm so glad you're winning. Okay, let's get into this conversation with the full circle boys. We talk a lot about how the convention world prepared them. Oh, bye. Prepared them for what they are doing now, which is making great pop music and dance videos. They're bringing the boy band back. They're celebrating the release of a new single called skin, which is coming soon. Please be on the lookout, y'all. We just had a dance party to it. I think you're gonna like it. So buckle up, my friends, and enjoy the one and only full circle boys.
That's a deep cut. You won't know what it means. I am seated here with the full circle boys. Welcome to words that move me. Holy smokes. This is my first time ever having a group, let alone a boy band, on the podcast. So thank you guys for being here.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: Thank you for having us.
[00:03:07] Speaker C: Okay, I don't know if you are viewers, listeners of words that move me, but I have a tradition.
Every one of my guests always and forever must introduce themselves, partially because I'm a little lazy and don't want to do all the research. Just kidding. I'm genuinely interested to hear how everybody thinks of themselves. So we'll do a quick pass of the mic, tell us everything you want us to know about you.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: I'm Jagger Moon. I am from Ogden, Utah, and I like to describe myself as a chameleon. I can be whatever you need me to be.
[00:03:38] Speaker C: Okay. Neats.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:39] Speaker C: I have some hanging of portraits that I need done in the back. Are you handy with, like, a hammer?
[00:03:45] Speaker B: You know what? I'm not that good of a chameleon.
[00:03:48] Speaker C: Like, in the artistic, creative sense.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah, if you will.
[00:03:51] Speaker C: Clever.
[00:03:52] Speaker D: Hi, my name is Sean Garrity. I guess we're using that last names now.
And I'm 19 years old. I grew up in Marietta, California. Something interesting about me is I've played the piano and guitar for a long time and recently I've taken up the bass. And yesterday, the cajon.
[00:04:10] Speaker C: Let's go. Cajon.
[00:04:12] Speaker D: That's fun.
[00:04:13] Speaker C: Fantastic. Good for you, Sean.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: Hello.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: How's it going? I'm Dawson. Dawson Bell. I'm 19 and I'm from Ogden, Utah as well. Grew up with Jagger and Oliver.
And one thing about me is I'm always keeping it real. You know? That's one of my favorite things to portray is just authenticity. I think authenticity drives connection.
[00:04:34] Speaker C: So hell, yeah. Glad you're here, authentic Dawson. Oh.
[00:04:38] Speaker E: Oh, hello. I'm Oliver Hinseye. I also grew up in Ogden, Utah.
And one thing about me is that I like to do all sorts of different hobbies.
[00:04:50] Speaker C: Like what?
You're not allowed to say that and, like, not back it up.
[00:04:54] Speaker E: No, no, no, it's true. It's true. Like, some days I'll be like, I really want to, like, learn how to hacky sack or something, you know? So I'll hacky sack for a few weeks.
[00:05:01] Speaker C: Very retro of you.
[00:05:02] Speaker E: And then I love to sew.
I was skating.
[00:05:05] Speaker C: Did you sew your pants?
[00:05:07] Speaker E: I did sew my pants.
[00:05:07] Speaker C: Your pants were fantastic. I was admiring them.
[00:05:09] Speaker E: Thank you so much.
But, yeah, I just like to pick up different hobbies.
[00:05:14] Speaker C: Fantastic.
[00:05:14] Speaker A: Hi.
[00:05:15] Speaker F: What's up? I'm James Herron. I'm 20 years old. I grew up in Merida, California. And I guess a fun fact about me is I was born a twin. But, I mean, I guess you can say I kind of ate him in the womb. I don't know. That's just a joke we say, but.
[00:05:34] Speaker C: Who'S saying that, dude?
[00:05:35] Speaker F: No, it's just funny.
[00:05:36] Speaker C: That's dark, but also a bright fun fact. Thank you for showing.
[00:05:39] Speaker F: It's a stronger one.
[00:05:41] Speaker C: You've just trumped everybody's fun fact.
[00:05:43] Speaker F: I know I never say that, but, yeah, fun fact.
[00:05:45] Speaker C: Now people know. I feel very close to you already. But I love a fun fact is a great way to start. I start almost all of my classes with a fun fact. It helps to connect and be memorable. And I know that that is what you guys are hoping to do in this industry of pop music, which. What a great time for pop. I feel like it is having, if you will, a bubbly, effervescent resurgence like the bubbles are coming up. Charlie, XCX. I'm just. Yo, the Chapel Roan album. I have not stopped listening.
[00:06:15] Speaker F: Yes.
[00:06:16] Speaker E: So good.
[00:06:17] Speaker C: I'm a big fan of pop music.
I own my house, I own my car. I paid for, like, healthcare for my ex husband and I for years because of pop music. And primarily, I don't know if you kind of know this, maybe boy bands and boy band members gone solo. Like, that might be if I really broke down where the dollars come from. My primary income is boy bands and boy bands gone solo. So I'm stoked to be connecting with you guys. Thank you so much for being here. I thought a fun thing to do might be to start with influences, because as I was jamming, doing a little pre game boy band playlist before you guys arrived today, I was like, dang, there is some good music in this genre.
Curious to hear who your influences are. Have you guys talked about this as a group? If you all have different answers, then fine. But does full circle have a north star?
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Our north star is definitely nsync.
They're definitely our boy band. I think just how they presented themselves. Cause they backstreet always tried to no shade the backstreet, but they just always promoted themselves as a vocal group. True factor. And then nsync was just all around entertainers. Like they were. They put on a show, they were dancers. But then also when it was time to sing, they could really hella sing.
[00:07:38] Speaker C: They could lock in a chord.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: They could.
[00:07:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: So nsync is definitely our big one. And then BTS is like, a newer group that we're always like, oh, they're so cool. Cool style. But definitely Nsync's the main boy band that we're in.
[00:07:49] Speaker C: We're in agreement on that. Fantastic. Okay, what's your favorite NSYNC performance ever?
[00:07:56] Speaker B: I think. Well, as of right now, we've been really into their national anthem that they.
[00:08:01] Speaker C: Did, because what did they sing on?
[00:08:02] Speaker B: I think it was at Dodgers Stadium.
[00:08:04] Speaker D: Yankees World Series 2000.
[00:08:07] Speaker C: Okay, date. Love that. I'll have to pull that up. I'll include the link in the show notes.
I don't remember what year it was, but Wade Robson choreographed their MTV VMA performance with tv screens in front of their faces. Hands down, favorite VMA performance of all time, actually.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: Really? I loved when they would be amazed at those. When they came together in 2013 for the.
[00:08:34] Speaker C: Oh, for Justin's vanguard performance.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah. That was so good.
[00:08:38] Speaker C: Can I tell you crazy story? So I am a MTV generation kid. Like, I grew up watching TRL after school, before I went to dance. That is what we did. And I knew all the choreography from watching music videos.
Jumped to many, many years later, I moved to LA. I started assisting Marty Koudelka when I was 18 years old. Worked for him for many years. Started working for JT when I was 19, turned 20, turned 21 on my first tour with him. Years. A couple tours go by, I think, actually, before that performance happened in 2013. And it was a big, big secret that he would be joined by the band. Big secret. We were rehearsing in Miami. We rehearsed in a high school gymnasium. Cause they didn't want anybody to see us in any of the regular rehearsal spaces. So we're at some high school gymnasium, and Marty asks, yo, can you help refresh them on some choreography?
[00:09:38] Speaker B: And it was like, that's crazy.
[00:09:41] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, I can. And then at the end of that rehearsal day, I think it was Joey, it might have been JC. I can't. Oh, no. It was. JC asked if he could film me doing it so that he could practice. And I was like, speaking of full circle, like, you don't understand. I used to watch you on video doing these moves, and now you're watching me on video doing these nuts. It was truly, I told Marty later, I had a breakdown moment later that night. I had a good cry sesh on that.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: That's awesome.
[00:10:15] Speaker C: But, like, magical stuff happens when you go for it, when you have access. And via the convention circuit. I had met Marty when I was 16 years old. When did I meet you?
[00:10:28] Speaker B: I think the first time we met, I was 15.
[00:10:31] Speaker C: Yeah, you're starting. Your trajectory started many, many years ago. I think I understand all of you guys are like dance studio kids. Convention. Convention kids.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: Yeah, convention kids.
[00:10:43] Speaker C: Okay. Tell me this. I'm so curious. How do you feel like being a convention kid prepared you for what you are doing now?
[00:10:51] Speaker B: I think one, just being in studio dance every day of my life, from when I was twelve till I was 19, it was 5 hours a day in the studio.
[00:11:06] Speaker C: Discipline.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Yes. So I think that's really helped. I think all of us just be very disciplined and working hard and all that, because you always hear people complain about the work load, and then I think just us five. I've always been like, that's not. It's like nothing new, really.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: I love that. Yes. Dancers love to rehearse. Like, we love to work hard. I know a lot of vocalists who are not the same. I know a lot of actors who are also not the same. Actors almost on the other side, wanna keep it fresh. They don't wanna lose the moment, the authenticity. Like, don't wanna over rehearse. But I'm like, let's over rehearse in every direction, because that might happen, and that might happen and that might happen. Okay, so being disciplined.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:47] Speaker C: Anything else? Anybody wanna add? How did being a convention kid prepare you for what you're doing right now?
[00:11:53] Speaker D: I feel like, well, my first experience at a convention was actually with James at Camp Pulse.
[00:11:59] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:12:00] Speaker D: Yes. And that was very different for me because prior to that experience, it was just competition. Just competition dancing. And there was really no conventions that we were doing outside of our studio.
[00:12:11] Speaker C: Got it.
[00:12:12] Speaker D: So I feel like the convention really pulled me out of my comfort zone. And instead of being a member on a team, it was really kind of like an audition setting. And just learning a bunch of different numbers every day was really awesome.
[00:12:26] Speaker C: To have to move quickly through material. Like, pick that up. Got it, moving on. Pick that up. Got it, moving on. You don't have a lot of time in this business.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I think one thing that was really awesome is when you grow up in the dance world, you kind of get thrown into moments with a lot of pressure. Cause, like, say you're assisting a class, you have to be able to not let the pressure fold you, but you have to keep continuing what you're doing and remember what you're doing. And then on stage doing a dance, you gotta remember what you're doing. And so for us to come into this world of. As the artist, it's like, we know how to handle the pressure.
[00:12:58] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: We don't. Like, we don't have to go on stage for the first time and be, like, freak out and then learn from it. We already know, like, what it feels like.
[00:13:05] Speaker C: Right. Being on stage, being looked at, being the point of reference. You're used to that.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:11] Speaker C: Are you guys good public speakers in school? Like, when you have to give presentations, does everybody want to be in your group?
Yeah.
[00:13:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like growing up, I'd always. I'd always kind of be the ringleader of, like, little presentation just because, like, I trust. I didn't really trust everyone else. Cause when I have, like, work to do, I'm like, no shit, I gotta do it myself. Cause I want the good grade.
[00:13:33] Speaker C: I get that.
[00:13:34] Speaker D: I was definitely one of those kids where if it was a group project and everybody got the same grade, I would wanna be doing all the work. And then even if nobody else was doing the work, just. I wanted to make sure it was right, if that makes sense.
[00:13:46] Speaker C: Okay, so we've got a group of high achievers, borderline perfectionist, probably, right? Convention, kid. Plus, like, want to do the project right. This seems like a good thing.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I'd say it's good. I think we're always. What was it? We were fighting about something a couple weeks ago, about something being.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: I am curious about this because there's an even. No, there's not an even number of you guys. Great numbers. Math. So I also am in a group that's not a boy band, but it is the Seaweed sisters.
[00:14:19] Speaker B: Sisters.
[00:14:20] Speaker C: Arguably cooler than a boy band.
[00:14:22] Speaker E: It is.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: I love your guys videos.
[00:14:24] Speaker C: Thank you. Because of reasons. But we don't need to go into those right now.
I think it's insane. And such a gift to be in alignment on what kind of work you want to make and to use each other's tastes and points of view to keep raising the bar for yourself. I love being in a group. I love the seaweed sisters. My favorite. I've done some cool things in my life, and my favorite one is that one that keeps on going and growing and. Awesome. I am curious, though, because we have kind of a democracy. If we don't agree on something, we take a vote.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:15:01] Speaker C: And, yeah, it's just like, the numbers don't lie, and that's how we do it. Are you guys.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So we do a majority rules. Cause there's five of us. So if it's, like, on our most recent single, call my name. Sean and Ollie didn't like the COVID art, but me, Dawson and James did like it.
[00:15:18] Speaker C: Okay. But that's kind of like a big thing to do.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: It was a big thing. But then we, like, we looked at.
[00:15:22] Speaker C: A third option that everybody loved.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Not really, like, there just wasn't, like, arguably, like. Cause I got with their. Where they were coming from. Because, like, the other shots in theory were cooler. Just not everybody was looking their best in them. And then this was the only.
[00:15:37] Speaker C: Vanity is real. And the seaweed sisters also have vanity. When there's a vanity note, none of us argue. If I'm like, oh, I don't like how I look in that. They're like, fine, it's off the table. We're very protective of the vanity moment.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: And then, like, all of them looked like they, like, they were such cool shots. But then, like, let's say, like, I wasn't looking the right way as everybody else. Or James, like, was like, his eyes were closed or something. This. The James was. Yeah, he was so hunched over in one of them. And then. But the COVID art that we used, it's the only one that, like, we all genuinely looked really good in. And then it just wasn't as artsy as, like we had wanted it to be. But that's just what it came down to, is that us three liked it, so we just had to go with it.
[00:16:19] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:16:20] Speaker C: Over to you, Sean.
[00:16:22] Speaker D: Within the democracy, we have enabled this other thing where if you do get outvoted, you can suggest other ideas.
[00:16:30] Speaker C: Love that.
[00:16:31] Speaker D: So even if you lose, if you really feel strongly, then bring something better, you know?
[00:16:36] Speaker C: Of course.
[00:16:37] Speaker D: Always that's something that we bring so that everybody feels the resolution is good, you know?
[00:16:42] Speaker C: Yes, yes.
[00:16:43] Speaker A: There's a meet in the middle area that we can meet at, like. Cause sometimes there's like, well, I think this would be really good for us. But it's like, no, but I think this. And then there's that even ground where it's like, everyone can.
[00:16:54] Speaker C: Everybody agrees on this. How are you guys doing with the Freddie Mercury microphone?
[00:16:59] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:17:00] Speaker C: We had to rig the space so that there was room for all of you and there is not room for all of you.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: It's all good. I think we're used to it. We're always trying to.
[00:17:06] Speaker C: Your sardines.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: We're always trying to fit into, like, zoom cameras on a computer. So, like, we're used to it. We're good. Yeah.
[00:17:13] Speaker C: Staggered faces. Um, do you guys have plans to tour? Because you better get used to being tight on a tour bus.
[00:17:19] Speaker B: We. We just did a tour a couple months ago. It was called feel good fest high school nation with Hollister. Hollister put it on, so we just went.
[00:17:29] Speaker C: You toured high schools?
[00:17:30] Speaker B: Yeah, we toured high school. It was insane. It was crazy.
[00:17:34] Speaker C: People losing their minds, lost.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: It was insane.
[00:17:38] Speaker C: Go. Do it. Do it, do it. I was gonna ask. This is a perfect segue. James, I want you to lead on this one. I am curious about what is the best part of being in a boy band, because it will not be accessible to me ever. So I need you to explain it in great detail. Is it that. Is it energy from people, or is there something else?
[00:17:56] Speaker B: Oh, for sure.
[00:17:56] Speaker F: But for me, I say this in every interview, but I grew up as an only child, and so having, like, literally four other brothers that I can just rely on and lean on is insane. Like, I love these guys, and I'm so happy that I'm doing this project with them. Yeah.
[00:18:13] Speaker E: Okay.
[00:18:13] Speaker C: That's amazing. Yeah, it does. You become a family when you tour together or do a project like that together. Anything where you're spending that amount of time and doing something unique that most people don't get to experience, you're bound by that. It's a unique thing that most people don't get to know about.
So, yeah. Y'all family now?
Cool. Okay, so back to high school circuit. You pull up in a tour bus in a van. In a Honda odyssey. Sprinter van. Nice. Okay.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Sprinter van is what we pulled up in. Yeah, it was so fun. I think the first. The first day. Cause it rained, like, so it was like they had this big trailer, and the trailer unfolded and became this, like, really high production stage. And then we. We got there the first day, and they're like, it rained all last night. We didn't have time to get everything ready, so. And then we were supposed to go on in an hour, and we're like, oh, okay. And then, like, it just took a while to get everything set up, and then the kids were coming out, and they were like. Cause it was on the field, so they were, like, all confused. And then we didn't get to do a sound check. And then you're like, it's okay.
[00:19:22] Speaker C: We're convention kids.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[00:19:24] Speaker C: We can quick change in the back of the sprinting and not warm up and do a really quick.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: That's literally what we did. They were just like, hey, you're gonna go on stage? And we're like, okay, I guess this is what we're doing. And they went like, that first show couldn't have gone any better. They went insane. It's still one of my. We did, I think, 18 high schools that tour, and then they are definitely in the top five of best shows just cause they had so much energy and so much love. Yeah, it was just so much fun.
[00:19:54] Speaker C: Do you guys agree that the fans and that energy is, like, sickening and unlike anything else, or is anybody for anyone? Is it like, oh, I get nervous every time. This is tense.
[00:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I'd say, like, do you guys get nervous?
[00:20:08] Speaker E: Well, I get. Of course, I get the butterflies in my stomach, but I think that's more of excitement than nervousness. It's more like, oh, what's gonna happen? I'm excited to see the outcome of it, but I'd say that, like, I'd say this guy feels a lot of excitement on stage. That's all I know.
[00:20:26] Speaker C: Are you the Jc chasse of the bunch?
[00:20:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I just have a little spazzes, but, like, I remember the first time. Cause I always get so nervous. I'm just like. I'm a very nervous person before shows, but a little voice crack right there.
[00:20:41] Speaker C: But it's like, do you want to start over? Cause we edit this.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: No, I don't care. Leave the voice crack in. I love it. But that's character right there. Authenticity. Okay. But anyways, so, yeah, I'd always get nervous, and I remember the first show, there might have been a couple steps that I forgot, but the first time that I actually went down to the ground and, like, stood up on the gates and just let everyone, like, touch me was, like, the most, like, just grab on my arms and whatever, and.
[00:21:06] Speaker C: Like, this is your family. They're not gonna let you get away with handsome like that without a feeling.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: But it was just the most, like, what is the word? Exhilarating. Exhilarating experience ever. And it was, like, the first time I've ever done it, and in that moment, I was like, dude, this is what I want to do. Like, this is it.
[00:21:22] Speaker E: Wait, wait, wait. There was also one other time where, let's say this guy just wanted to get his jacket off and give it to someone, and he couldn't get his jacket off. Like, the first. This is our first ever show as, like, a band, you know, like, this is our first ever show, and he's.
[00:21:37] Speaker C: Just, like, shimmy and out.
[00:21:41] Speaker A: It was a denim jacket like this. It was at an all girls catholic school, and it was when I was singing, too. I don't know why I tried to take it off when I was singing, but I couldn't get it off. Cause the wrists were so tight. And then I was just like.
My microphone was in my hand and I had to like, oh, you gotta.
[00:21:56] Speaker C: Switch hands on the mic. You gotta switch hands.
[00:21:58] Speaker E: The funny part about it is, literally, jagger was like, you're gonna feel a lot of, like, excitement to do other stuff, but don't do it.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: I have a video of it.
[00:22:10] Speaker C: Can you share it? Yeah, we just wanna plug that moment for just a quick.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: I edited a funny, like, clip where it's like. Because our manager John filmed me talking to these two. Cause us three were in the band prior together. Me, James, and Sean, and then Ollie and Dawson joined this year. And I was telling them, hey. Cause it was an all girls catholic school. Like, they go apeshit for this shit.
[00:22:32] Speaker C: I can imagine.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: They were just so. I was like, hey, it's a lot different than competitive dance. Like, you're gonna.
[00:22:39] Speaker C: Where you have, like, some uncles and moms and dance teachers giving a gentle clap.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: I was like, they're gonna scream. They're gonna go crazy. And you're gonna think you can do whatever you want.
[00:22:50] Speaker C: Don't let that try anything new.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And then I cut from that clip of me talking straight to Dasa, just throwing his jacket into the crowd.
[00:22:59] Speaker C: Yeah. That's what we call being on one. Yeah. And you were not prepared. I do. I know what we were saying. This happens to me more often in auditions where you. There's, like, an exhilaration. There's, like, this desire to be seen and the feeling that you are seen. And now what do you do with it? And I have done some wacky shit in auditions.
Don't try anything new at an audition, and probably not anything new when you're on stage for the first time. That's why we have rehearsals. Try your new stuff in rear zone. We should also always be working with wardrobe items and their ons and offs.
Okay, we're gonna get back to that in just a second. I wanna talk about what you guys are working on right now. You guys are working with a producer that's got some clout.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:43] Speaker C: And I am curious about if you have any nervousness or imposter syndrome heading into recording spaces, knowing that you have dance background. Like, that's your native language when it comes to performance. What's it like for you guys to be in the hardcore music space right now?
[00:24:00] Speaker B: It's interesting, I think, because we flew to Atlanta to work with Tricky Stewart, who did umbrella with Rihanna. Yeah.
[00:24:08] Speaker C: You know what? You know what? We're just gonna pause because I actually took a screenshot of what our friend Tricky has been up to. You ready for this? Because he often works with his production partner, the dream, who is also epic case of the X me against the music umbrella just fine by Mary J. Blige, which is one of my favorite songs, period of all time. The end single ladies put a ring on it. Touch my body.
Yeah. Justin Bieber. I mean, Sierra. I mean, all of them. All of them. So that's who you're jamming with.
[00:24:41] Speaker B: That's who we're jamming with. And then. But when we went there, I felt a little bit more relaxed than I think I should have felt because we've also been working with Jason Joshua, who got us connected with Tricky and Jason, just like, he. A little secret. He told us he's working on Rihanna's next stuff, so that was. That was cool. And then, like, when we met, when we went into Jason's studio, that's where I was, like, really nervous and, like, I was like, I don't think I belong here. I'm just a kid who gets on.
[00:25:14] Speaker C: Stage with a dream.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah, a kid with a dream. I'm just a kid who would get on stage and do a routine that he practiced for months. And now. Now I'm recording where Bryson Tiller like, records. Like, I just. I couldn't fathom it. But then I started getting more comfortable with Jason and everybody at Canton Studios, and then. So by the time we got to tricky, I felt comfortable. Cause also Jason Joshua was there with us, so I wasn't, like, I wasn't too stressed. Like, tricky is really cool. Like, it feels. We're making cool music, and they're just, like, at the end of the day, they're just normal people. Like, they're just also human.
[00:25:50] Speaker D: I think you realize, at least I realize, like, the people that are working on the top level, they only got there because they're humble and they're easy to work with. And that was something that I noticed with tricky, specifically, out of anybody who've worked with music, he's a very warm personality.
It's very hard to actually be stressed out in his presence because he is so empowering.
And we had a great time working with him because he helped us out on every step of the process. We were recording with a recording engineer, and then he would come in and he would have that outside point of view to be like, oh, this is good, this is bad. And very supportive, being like, okay, I think this part. We need a little more oomph on the vocals. So nothing but love for tricky. Awesome.
[00:26:37] Speaker C: It's good to have somebody who's able to give criticism or offerings, suggestions on how to make something better without the idea that it was bad in the first place.
It's a really difficult thing to do, and people who do it well, you're right. They stay in the business. They rise to the top because yes is so much better to work with than no or better versus bad. Not that it doesn't.
Sometimes you need to be told, like, that was bad, that was not great.
In a creative environment, to be able to tell someone we can do better in a way that doesn't shut people down, that's a huge, huge gift.
[00:27:22] Speaker B: They also gave us the free reign to just go in and try anything, which was really fun. Obviously, we had to get the leads down and everything, but then when it came to ad libs and harmonies, they didn't shy away from any of our ideas. They'd be like, yeah, if you have something, go in there and do it.
[00:27:38] Speaker C: Which one of you is the Mariah Carey of the bunch with the ad libs with all the runs?
[00:27:43] Speaker B: Well, James is the one that does the most runs. Like James King.
[00:27:46] Speaker C: James, give us a run real quick.
[00:27:48] Speaker F: Oh, yes.
[00:27:49] Speaker C: Did you not warm up in the car?
[00:27:50] Speaker F: What do I want to do?
[00:27:52] Speaker C: Come on.
One of my favorite things. Hold on. James, come back. I want to go back to James.
[00:28:08] Speaker F: I forgot what one of my favorite.
[00:28:09] Speaker C: Things is, especially in pop music, is when people give, like, a yeah.
[00:28:14] Speaker A: No.
[00:28:15] Speaker C: Like, when they contradict themselves. People give me, like, a no, no, no, no. Yeah. Like some. Like, someone that says the opposite things.
[00:28:25] Speaker F: No, no, no.
Oh, no, no.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:28:30] Speaker C: You gotta throw a yeah in there somewhere.
We need a creative vibe. Listen, here is the thing. The song is about a relationship, and the relationship is no. Right. The relationship is no. But the way you're feeling about your point of view is, yes, I have found my voice. I am. Yes, but the relation, no relationship.
[00:28:55] Speaker E: Let's go, James.
And then just go.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:58] Speaker C: Okay. Jagger, if you got ideas, we also.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Hear for this.
[00:29:03] Speaker C: I could give you.
[00:29:04] Speaker F: Like, an outline, but you're very passionate.
[00:29:07] Speaker C: Give him an outline. Give him an outline. I'm watching the creative process. It's fascinating.
[00:29:11] Speaker F: I feel like it needs, like, a little growl, like a.
[00:29:13] Speaker C: Yes, I do. Oh, it does.
[00:29:17] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: Or something like that.
I love that.
[00:29:22] Speaker C: I live for that.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: I love how the yo is just straight.
[00:29:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
Oh, God. Thank you. Thank you so much for indulging that was great.
Okay, I want to play a couple games with you guys. Let's go. We're going to play most likely to. And because not all of our listeners are also viewers, you're going to have to say out loud. Instead of just pointing, just say out loud the name of the person that you think is most likely to be late.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: It's either James or Sean.
[00:29:51] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:29:55] Speaker C: Dawson, what were you gonna say?
[00:29:56] Speaker D: I'll take it. But I'm also the one to overpack. You know, I'm the one that comes with the extra snacks. Comes with.
[00:30:04] Speaker C: And it's okay if you come with snacks.
[00:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd say Sean. Sean.
[00:30:10] Speaker F: I would say it's also me. Cause my hair takes a long time. If you have curling hair, you know? You know, but also, like, I don't live with these guys, so I'm like.
[00:30:20] Speaker C: So you have a commute. They're never late. Cause they live together.
[00:30:23] Speaker E: Yeah, exactly.
[00:30:23] Speaker C: That's a setup.
[00:30:25] Speaker B: I say, Sean, because Shawn lives with us and he's still somehow late. So he wasn't late today, which was good. He wasn't late today. He was almost late. I had to wake him up ten minutes before we left, and then we ended up being late anyway.
[00:30:41] Speaker C: So the answer to that question is, all of you.
[00:30:43] Speaker B: All of us are.
[00:30:44] Speaker C: Because as a family, I do agree it is harder to move as many than move as one. I've gotten very used to being a individual person in this world, and I know how long it takes me, and I used to very much be early. I've kind of like, yeah.
Eased into being a little bit tardy. But when you're moving as five.
[00:31:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:03] Speaker C: Or a six. Or as a tour group, we had a hard rule on tour.
Lobby call is 15 minutes before wheels out.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:12] Speaker C: And if you are not on the bus, you are oil spotted, you are left behind, and you can make your way to the venue or the airport or wherever. We are next. Hard on that. We're not waiting for you.
[00:31:22] Speaker B: Being late stresses me out because when I was, like, 16, Kyle Hanagami yelled at me. He was like, if you're not rightfully so. Cause I was on time. Like, I got. I think our time was 08:00 a.m. and I got there at 08:00 a.m. and he said, if you're not. He said, if you're on time, you're late. 15 minutes early is on time. So I was like, ever since then, I've always been like, I need to be 15 minutes early. And then you can ask any of these guys if we're, like, any even semi late, I just. I automatically shut down. I'm just, like, stressing. I'm just like. Cause Kyle had printed that in my brain that I was just like, I gotta be 15 minutes early.
[00:31:58] Speaker C: Nice. Okay. You can probably manage your mind around that, but I am with you. Marty also, like, really embedded that into my mind. On time or early is on time. On time is late and late is. You're fired.
[00:32:13] Speaker B: Yeah, in his. Exactly.
[00:32:16] Speaker C: Okay. Who's most likely to mess up choreography?
[00:32:20] Speaker E: Okay.
No, we were talking about this. We were like, who would? And I'm like, I don't. Like, we don't really know.
[00:32:29] Speaker C: Like, that is the most subtle I've ever heard. Nobody, really. We just don't mess.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: I'll select myself because I think sometimes when we do TikToks, I'm usually the one messing up.
[00:32:41] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: When you're recording, sometimes. So I'll select myself.
[00:32:46] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:32:47] Speaker B: I think it could be any of us at any given time, just because every once in a while, like. Like we said, with the crowd, you just, like, you start filling yourself, and then you add your own stuff, and then it just messes you up and then. So we're really trying to hone in, not adding your own stuff.
[00:33:02] Speaker F: Just, like, listen, don't know.
[00:33:04] Speaker B: You be adding waves and shit all.
[00:33:06] Speaker C: Time, dude, is not a great idea.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:09] Speaker C: So, yeah, Riley and I are working on a new drill I teach every other Tuesday at ML. Shameless plug, we gotta go. And I've been loving doing drills in class. Just, like, straight up technique like this. You're gonna be bad at this. And then over time, you'll be great. And that's a good feeling. I love progress. And so we're working on a new drill that both of us are not quite there at yet. If I think about anything other than the steps, if I think about the lyrics, if I think about adding a thing gone off the handlebars, I'm not there yet. I will get there, though.
Is there one of you that's more likely to mess up a lyric? Because let me tell you. Oh, every boy band pop star knows about me bad with lyrics. I am making it up. They're like, what part is that? And I'm like, you know, I feel like that.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: That's like, dance teachers, though. Like, I feel like my. Like, my studio owner growing up, like, she would just make up, like, the most random words. I was like, I don't think that's what the song's saying. But I think. I don't know. Who do you think?
[00:34:10] Speaker A: I think it's Ollie. I think it's all because sometimes he'll sing a song and it's like he has the melody, but it'll be like a random. Like today in the song, he was singing a sabrina song.
[00:34:19] Speaker E: Yes.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: And I don't. I just. I don't know what words you said, but it was, like, incorrect. The wrong pro. Like, the wrong, like you or. I don't know.
[00:34:29] Speaker E: I like to make up my own words.
As long as I'm singing it. Like, it's just, like, it don't matter what you say, you know?
[00:34:38] Speaker C: I think then you are definitely the person to mess up the lyrics.
[00:34:43] Speaker B: We were recording a cover one time and the words are you so. And then fucking and then precious.
[00:34:50] Speaker C: Wait, what?
[00:34:52] Speaker B: He.
[00:34:52] Speaker C: Aren't you all from Utah?
[00:34:53] Speaker B: Well, yeah, we did say that. We didn't say the fuck it. So he go, like, the crowd would say, yeah.
[00:34:59] Speaker C: So we go in the audience. Got it. Okay.
[00:35:01] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah.
[00:35:02] Speaker B: And then. But Ollie, when we were recording it, he goes, I don't know why. He just goes, you so freshen.
What did he say? Cheese and fresh.
[00:35:11] Speaker E: Listen, okay, listen, listen. He was like, I want you to say the actual word. And I was like, I just don't want to say the word. You know, like, I'm like, I'm not about that. So, like, I was like, I'm making my other words. So I was like, you so cheesing. Freshest. And I don't know why I said that.
I think I was. When you smile.
[00:35:28] Speaker C: Cheese and fresh. And.
[00:35:30] Speaker E: I don't know.
[00:35:30] Speaker C: It's supposed to be effing precious. Precious.
[00:35:37] Speaker E: I put the f on the precious. Aw.
[00:35:39] Speaker C: I don't think I'll ever go into a cheese section at a grocery store without thinking of that story. This is the cheese and freshest sections. Just picking. Do you guys have any cheese? Cheese is fresh.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: That should be a new cheese line. Like, cheese and freshest.
[00:35:53] Speaker E: Cheese and fresh line.
[00:35:55] Speaker C: It's a good apparel to merch. Come and get it. You need to have some obscure. Just obscure just for the real fans. Yeah. Okay. Oh, who's the most likely to remember your birthday?
[00:36:07] Speaker E: Not me.
[00:36:07] Speaker F: I think Jagger.
[00:36:10] Speaker B: I remember dates really well.
[00:36:12] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:13] Speaker C: Okay, who's most likely to text back immediately?
[00:36:19] Speaker B: I think probably me. Yeah, probably me.
[00:36:22] Speaker C: How about. How about survival on a desert island? Who's got that? I'm looking at you all dance studio kids. Knowing what I know. I don't think there's a survivalist I.
[00:36:32] Speaker B: Don'T think, like, maybe one would last longer than everybody, but they're like, certainly.
[00:36:37] Speaker C: One would last longer.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: I feel like Das. Yeah, I think Sean would be. Sean would be the most prepared with items.
[00:36:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:47] Speaker B: But I think Dawson could, like, he would just make some weird shit up and he just, like a monkey.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: I'd turn into Tarzan, dude.
[00:36:55] Speaker C: Just become one with the land.
[00:36:57] Speaker B: I feel like I've watched you getting.
[00:36:58] Speaker C: A mean sunburn, though, Dawson.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:37:01] Speaker A: You like me, people. Okay, I just been mic. Sorry about that.
We were in UK and these guys, like, people keep coming up to me and say, you look like Ed Sheeran. I thought you were Ed Sheeran. And we were in this fish and chips place and this guy was so drunk. He's, like, asking us about skateboards. And I was like, no skateboards here, man. And then he's like, Ed Sheeran.
[00:37:22] Speaker B: Ed Sheeran.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: And he started, like, hugging me and then he, like, whispered something in my ear and I swear it was a curse, but it was really weird. But. So back on the topic. My hair is strawberry blonde.
[00:37:35] Speaker C: Your hair is, like, cherubic. Godly relative to Ed Sheeran's hair. No offense. Ed Sheeran.
[00:37:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I know.
[00:37:42] Speaker C: I know. He's fine. Trust me. Ed Sheeran.
[00:37:44] Speaker A: But his is more ginge. You know?
[00:37:46] Speaker C: Very much so.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Mine's more blonde.
[00:37:48] Speaker C: Okay, we'll leave Ed Sheeran and his hair alone. You're delightful. Your locks are golden and it's gorgeous. Thank you. Okay, let's get back to it.
I do have one more. I'm curious. Who is the most likely to start a freestyle circle?
[00:38:02] Speaker F: Oh, definitely Hollywood.
[00:38:03] Speaker E: No, no, no. Definitely Dawson. Dawson.
[00:38:07] Speaker C: Okay, so I like how many answers there are to this question.
[00:38:10] Speaker E: No, no, no.
[00:38:10] Speaker C: Like, it could maybe be any one of you, except for not Jagger. I'm picking up the tone, but you're the one that's. You've got the organization. It's fine. You'll jump in the circle later.
[00:38:19] Speaker E: I feel like me and Dawson will go up and make the circle. You know, we'll get the crowd excited for this dance circle.
[00:38:28] Speaker C: Got it.
[00:38:28] Speaker E: But Dawson would be the first one to go in and flip and do all of his crazy stuff.
[00:38:32] Speaker C: Okay, you guys are the police. You guys are the circle police. You're telling people, back up, back up, back up. And then you clear the way for your boy.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: We go to this line dancing place every once in a while.
[00:38:42] Speaker C: I love that.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:43] Speaker C: Sorry, where? Here in LA?
[00:38:45] Speaker E: I do.
[00:38:46] Speaker C: I was observing.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: You're wearing cowboy boots in temecula. There's a place called Stampede, and we'll go there every once in a while. And Dawson, every time we go, he makes a freestyle circle.
[00:38:57] Speaker C: I love that you're making a circle at a line dancing place.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: It's so powerful because out of nowhere, like, out of nowhere, it'll stop being line dancing. It'll become a mosh for some weird reason, like, for, like, 30 minutes in the night. And then Dawson will always split the mosh up, and then he'll just do a backflip. And then there's.
[00:39:16] Speaker C: I want that. I want to have that. There was a place here in the valley called Canteen Harry's that Jamal Sims used to go all the time. A bunch of dancers used to go there. I wonder if it still exists.
[00:39:26] Speaker B: You gotta go.
[00:39:27] Speaker C: Okay, boy band this or that. Are you ready? Okay, just answer out loud. I'm curious to hear if there's gonna be any unanimous. Unanimous answers. I think the first one is quite obvious. Nsync or backstreet boys. Very nice. Jonas Brothers or Hansen?
[00:39:43] Speaker D: Jonas.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: Jonas Brothers.
[00:39:44] Speaker C: Okay, but you know who Hansen is?
[00:39:45] Speaker B: Yes. Yes.
[00:39:46] Speaker C: Okay. My 28 year old today assistant, Riley Higgins, did not know who Hansen was. It is. Will you guys, before you leave, will you guys sing her happy birthday? Yes. Yes.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll try.
[00:39:59] Speaker C: I love that. You know, Hanson, will you quickly sing mbap real fast?
Who's taking the. Yeah, I. Yay. Not me. Okay, you ready for this one? I like this one. New edition versus boys to men.
[00:40:17] Speaker E: Boys to men.
[00:40:19] Speaker A: That's mine.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: Oh, dude, I don't really.
[00:40:22] Speaker A: I can't say boys to men.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: I'm gonna say this is my theory on it. I think boys to men as a group is better. But then when new edition went off and did their own things, like Bell, Biv Devoe, and Bobby Brown, I think they're so good on their own.
[00:40:37] Speaker C: Jagger, I'm impressed.
[00:40:38] Speaker B: Yeah. But them together, it's definitely boys to.
[00:40:41] Speaker C: Men, your boy band. R and B history. Thank you. So, so sorry. We're going boys to men as a collective winner versus 112.
112.
112.
[00:40:54] Speaker D: No, wait. That's.
[00:40:55] Speaker C: Sorry. I was not sure if you were. Yeah, that's like peaches and cream.
[00:40:58] Speaker E: I freaking love 112. Okay, I'm gonna be honest. I thought it was one one, two.
[00:41:05] Speaker C: Tiny little one. We were doing boys to men versus 112 because the winner of. Yeah, we did new edition versus boys to men. And you guys chose boys to men. So boys to men versus.
[00:41:15] Speaker E: I love how funky 112 is.
[00:41:17] Speaker C: Like, yo, every time his voice. There's just no other one. Like it all day long. All day long.
[00:41:24] Speaker E: 112.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: The first time I heard 112 was Marty taught a class to them. What song it was, it might have.
[00:41:32] Speaker C: Been peaches and cream.
[00:41:33] Speaker B: I think it was the one you were just singing. Dance with me. Dance with me.
That was the first time I heard them and it was like, I think that's my first Marty combo, too. And I was like, this guy's sick.
[00:41:48] Speaker C: What is that song called?
[00:41:49] Speaker B: Dance with me.
[00:41:50] Speaker C: I think it's just called hysterical. Okay. BTs versus b two k. Bts, bts, bts. Okay. But we must all admit that bt, b two k had the jams.
[00:42:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:04] Speaker C: Bump, bump, bump is the reason I moved to LA. Like, let's be very clear. I loved that song in the music videos where the girls were wearing knee pads and shorts. I can't. I'm upset.
Okay.
Oh, color me bad. Versus new kids on the block.
[00:42:20] Speaker D: New kids.
[00:42:21] Speaker C: We just saw kids with Paula Abdul. I did some choreography for her.
I did cold hearted snake and opposites attract.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: Oh, cold hearted.
[00:42:31] Speaker C: Well, Paula, there's a lot of original choreography in there. So Paula and I worked on that one together.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: That one was we. I think we were all like, cold hearted was the best.
[00:42:38] Speaker C: Nice. It's a lot of original choreography and it doesn't get better than that. Yeah, those choruses, man. It's the best.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: It was so good.
[00:42:46] Speaker C: I'm so glad you guys went. That's great. I think we're down to the last one.
Oh, I. This one, I'm not sure, but one direction versus 5 seconds of summer.
[00:42:57] Speaker E: Oh, one direction.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd say one direction. 5 seconds of summer has great songs. I know. This guy loves 5 seconds.
[00:43:03] Speaker C: James is on the fence.
[00:43:04] Speaker F: I was gonna say I like five sauce's music a lot better.
[00:43:07] Speaker C: But you said five sauce.
[00:43:09] Speaker F: Five sauce.
[00:43:10] Speaker C: The kids these days.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: Sauce, dude.
[00:43:15] Speaker F: Yeah.
[00:43:16] Speaker C: Wow. You were really disturbed about this. Think about it. Take your time. You don't need to decide right now. But you should know. You should have an answer to this question.
[00:43:23] Speaker B: The whole thing with it is that I've just always considered five sauce or 5 seconds of summer more as a. More as a band because they like, they. None of they like. I guess with a boy band, you're always expecting them to, like, stand together and like, snap and like, do a dance. Like five sauce. They do. They like, play their instruments. So I've just never thought they're a band. But I think because when you put them in the boy band category, that confuses me now, because I like one Direction, I've always said is my boy band, because that's just what I grew up with. I was like, they're my number one, but I love 5 seconds of summer. They have a special.
[00:44:03] Speaker C: There also was a show on MTV called Celebrity Deathmatch. It was a claymation show where they would have, like, celebrities battle to the death. It was awful. But that would be a fun one to watch. One Direction versus five sauce.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:15] Speaker E: Wait, okay, we need. We need to see his final decision.
[00:44:18] Speaker F: I'm gonna say five sauce.
[00:44:19] Speaker C: Five sauce.
[00:44:20] Speaker E: Five so's.
[00:44:20] Speaker C: Five so's. Thank you. Thank you for the. For the millennials in the room.
Okay, this one is very important. The Beatles or the Rolling Stones?
[00:44:30] Speaker E: We just went to see, like, the Beatles town. Like, you know, Liverpool. Beatles Town. Beatles Town.
[00:44:36] Speaker C: You were in Liverpool?
[00:44:37] Speaker E: Yeah, we were in Liverpool.
[00:44:38] Speaker C: Incredible. So you went to the. The cavern. That's what it's called, right? What was the place they did their first shows?
[00:44:43] Speaker B: We didn't get to go.
[00:44:44] Speaker C: Is it called the cavern?
[00:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it's called. Yeah, that's. We get to go there. But we, like. We went to the. We went to, like, this little tour thing, and then we saw their statues. Like, they have a statue.
[00:44:57] Speaker C: You see Penny Lane.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: We didn't get to get to Penny Lane. It was like, I'm jealous.
[00:45:03] Speaker C: I got. Yeah, I'm a huge, huge Beatles fan. So is that the answer? Yeah, Beatles.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: I'm named after Mick Jagger, but, yeah. And then fun fact. Yeah.
[00:45:15] Speaker C: Guess who I'm named after.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: Dana. Dana White. Ufc?
[00:45:19] Speaker C: Nope.
[00:45:19] Speaker B: I'm just kidding.
[00:45:25] Speaker C: Could you imagine? I'm like, yep.
No, sir. Gornie Weaver's character from Ghostbusters.
[00:45:32] Speaker F: Oh, nice.
[00:45:34] Speaker C: That's why I'm Danae. Cool, huh?
[00:45:36] Speaker F: That's sick.
[00:45:37] Speaker C: That's why I did the combo to Ghostbusters. That song also is nasty. You guys did it in it. Dinner.
[00:45:42] Speaker B: Oh, it's so good.
[00:45:43] Speaker C: You should cover it. You should all be Ghostbusters for Halloween. Come on, come on.
And I'll lend you Riz. And she can be a puff man. Marshmallow.
[00:45:54] Speaker B: We gotta do it. We got to do it now.
[00:45:56] Speaker C: Beatles versus the stones. Thank you for that.
Winner. Beatles.
[00:46:01] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:46:02] Speaker C: Versus Jackson five. The ultimate, the greatest shoot, right? You thought I was gonna leave them off the list?
[00:46:08] Speaker B: That's hard.
[00:46:09] Speaker C: What's gonna happen?
[00:46:10] Speaker B: I think if you put them up against each other, at the end of the day, Jackson five is just Michael.
[00:46:18] Speaker C: So look out.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: So look out.
[00:46:21] Speaker C: Tito's gonna come for you.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: Tito's coming for me. Tito's coming for me. I love all the Tito, Jackie, Marlon, Jermaine, y'all. But, like, at the end of the day, it was Michael. Like, all four of those Beatles are stars. You know, all four of their names.
[00:46:34] Speaker C: Come on.
[00:46:35] Speaker B: And even though.
[00:46:35] Speaker C: I know.
[00:46:39] Speaker B: Okay, so what are you.
[00:46:40] Speaker C: Anybody else?
[00:46:41] Speaker D: Are we including what came after? So, were you including what happened after the Beatles and after the Jackson five or including?
[00:46:48] Speaker C: That's really interesting.
[00:46:50] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:46:51] Speaker C: Because I think the Beatles were only really recording music for, like, five years, you guys. The amount of shit they did in five years versus the Jacksons were recording music for a long time. Michael went on to record much, much, much longer after that. But I think the Beatles did in this much time what all of the Jacksons did. Like, maybe the whole family. No offense. I just. I'm, like, a crazy Beatles fan.
It gets a little when it gets.
I'll go messy when we talk about.
[00:47:25] Speaker D: The Jacksons, but that's just me.
[00:47:27] Speaker C: Okay, fair.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: I think. I think the Jackson five, like, if you put it up to, like, entertainment, I think Jackson Five would definitely take that.
[00:47:35] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Like, if you went to a show, like, what would be more entertaining?
[00:47:40] Speaker C: Definitely more funky. Yeah, definitely more danceable. Jackson five, definitely more danceable.
[00:47:45] Speaker B: The Beatles stopped touring after a while. Cause it got too crazy, I tell you.
[00:47:50] Speaker C: Four years, dude. That's all. Yeah, they did four years worth of.
[00:47:54] Speaker B: Tours, and then the Jacksons were always touring. So if we want. If you wanted to go to a show, the Jacksons.
[00:48:01] Speaker C: I would not go see the Beatles. I would be deafened. I would be trampled. This is not my vibe.
[00:48:07] Speaker E: I'm gonna let James go first.
[00:48:09] Speaker F: I'm gonna go with Jackson five just because when I was younger, we had a dance production.
[00:48:15] Speaker C: Oh, keep going. I like where this is.
[00:48:16] Speaker F: Yeah, no, I. I guess I was one of the Jackson five members when we did that production, so it'll always have a special place in my heart.
[00:48:23] Speaker C: You weren't Michael.
[00:48:24] Speaker F: No.
[00:48:25] Speaker C: Who was Michael?
[00:48:26] Speaker F: No. Who was my. I think it was Marcus.
[00:48:28] Speaker D: Yeah, Marcus.
[00:48:29] Speaker F: Who is Zach?
[00:48:30] Speaker B: I don't know. Zach.
[00:48:33] Speaker C: I think we need a rematch. I think you should come. I think you need.
[00:48:36] Speaker E: It.
[00:48:36] Speaker D: Wasaiah. You, Marcus, and Dalen. Right?
[00:48:40] Speaker A: Smooth criminal dude.
[00:48:41] Speaker D: Marcus was the youngest one, so he was Michael.
[00:48:44] Speaker F: Yeah, it was Marcus.
[00:48:45] Speaker B: It should have been you, Doug.
[00:48:49] Speaker D: The audio's gonna be crazy.
[00:48:51] Speaker E: No, I know. I did a terrible job at that.
[00:48:53] Speaker C: No, that was adorable. And I just figured out who you remind me of.
This might hurt your feelings, Oliver. No, it's wonderful for me. Listen, I'm a really, really big lord of the Rings fan.
[00:49:09] Speaker E: Oh, yeah.
[00:49:09] Speaker C: And you remind me of the actor who portrays Pippin. His name is Billy Boyden. Billy Boyd.
[00:49:16] Speaker E: Love it.
[00:49:17] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Yes. Cool, right? I can't unsee it. Oh, you're Billy. It's so great.
Okay, my friends, I think we're about ready to round it out. I love ending on this note. I like asking all my guests, what are the words that move them? A guiding principle, a mantra, a affirmation? Or actual words like, what are the words that are your north star?
[00:49:42] Speaker E: Okay, I'll go first. Just cause I have the mic, everything happens for a reason.
[00:49:46] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:49:47] Speaker F: Believe in yourself, because if you don't believe in yourself, no one else will.
[00:49:51] Speaker C: Cosign. Cosign.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: Read this from a book called big magic. Elizabeth Gilbert.
[00:49:56] Speaker C: I love that book.
[00:49:57] Speaker A: Great book. This has been the one for me. Everybody imitates before they can innovate, so don't be afraid to imitate.
[00:50:03] Speaker C: I mean, as a boy band aspiring to nsYNC levels of greatness, then, yeah, this is wonderful.
[00:50:10] Speaker D: I'll go with a swedish word called Yontalagen, which is the law of Yonta, which means that every room you come into and every situation you come into come in with an open mind and open heart and no ego.
[00:50:21] Speaker C: And. What's the word? One more time?
[00:50:22] Speaker D: Jantelagen.
[00:50:23] Speaker C: Jantelagen. That's gonna be the name of this episode. Look out.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: I have two.
The one that's been pushing me for the past three years, dance studio owner Mandy Shaw told me, mandy, I must.
[00:50:41] Speaker C: Shout out, she's the best. Love, Mandy Shaw.
[00:50:44] Speaker B: She told me when I was starting the band, I was really stressed out. And I was like, but I'm a competition dancer. That's just who I am. And she said to me, she said, the past doesn't deserve you. Your future needs you. So I live by that a lot. And then another one, a more recent one. When we were in Atlanta recording with Tricky, James was in the booth, and he was a little timid. And Tricky said, he said, you're not. He said, add some flavor. Sing like you're dancing.
So I've been, like, trying to.
[00:51:16] Speaker C: Oh, trying to sing like you're dancing. It's your first language.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: So that's what I've been trying to live by as of late. But, yeah, that Mandy one is my number one.
[00:51:24] Speaker C: I think that we can take that further. If I did anything, like I was dancing, my whole life would be more enjoyable, so much easier. Like, if I grocery shopped, like, I'm dancing, if I wrote emails as if I was dancing. If I did my taxes as if I was dancing, then I would be in control. I would be playful. I would be like embodied. And usually when I do those tasks, I'm like out of body. I'm like a shell of myself, like on autopilot. I love fill in the blanken like you're dancing. I love that.
[00:51:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:58] Speaker C: Thank you for sharing. Thank you guys for being here. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you all for listening, watching. Click the bell for notifications. Smash the like subscribe leave a review or rating. Keep it really funky. I'll talk to you later.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: Bye.
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